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MEETING 'ex' CIA CHUCK DAZLER
KNUFF & ADAM L TUCKER
DECEMBER 23, 2008
SETTING
Location:
Bonsall, California - Home of Chuck Knuff
Arrived: December 23, 2008 at approximately 7PM PST
Departed: December 23,
2008 at approximately 9:30PM PST
Attendees: Chuck
Dazler Knuff & Adam Lee Tucker
Duration:
Approximately 2.5 hours
Meal: BBQ Filet
Mignon, baked carrots with olive oil and pepper, salad, red wine
Home: Large home on
multiple acres in upscale neighborhood. Gravel driveway. Old dog.
Chuck made it a point of telling me that the woman down the street
from him is also 'ex' CIA.
CHUCK KNUFF TIMELINE
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Navy Intelligence
10 years
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CIA
25 years
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BORN:
1950 - 59 years of age at time of meeting
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Involved in
1967 (18 years old) USS Liberty investigation
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Started
first his company in 1976 (26 years old)
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Forte Inc
Founded 1987 (according to website) (37 years old) - Software
company - filters emails, website, etc. - He made a point of
telling me that the software has been sold to multiple
government agencies. (http://www.forteinc.com/main/who.php)
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He implied
that he was in the CIA at the time that he dated my mother -
approximately 1992-1993
BACKGROUND
I contacted Chuck October 2008 as a person that might be able to
assist me in locating a job in the IT industry as he had given
me advice about an IT career when I was 18 years of age. As a
result, I emailed one of Chuck Knuff's companies, I believe Forte
Inc. a few days prior to October 13, 2008 in attempt to reconnect
with him. At 8:45 am
on October 13, 2008 Chuck Knuff replied via email and provided me
with his cell phone number. (*see emails below*)
After a few failed attempts to coordinate a meeting, I called him on
or around December 20th 2008 and left a voice message to
which Chuck Knuff returned my call and set up a time to meet shortly
thereafter.
MEETING
We spent the first 25-30 minutes catching up on what we had each
done in the last 10 years. We also discussed Mr. Knuff's childhood
with 7 siblings sharing a two bedroom apartment with an alcoholic
mother and a New York city police officer for a father. He said that
he had a tough childhood.
After catching up, I brought up the website just3ants.com and how
the top of DeBeers use diamond currency as a means to move wealth
around the world as well as finance activities that are wanted to be
kept secret.
Chuck: De Beers used
to control the industry but they are losing their control.
Adam: right.
Chuck: you say
'right', but do you know why?
Adam: because of
synthetic diamonds?
Chuck: no, well maybe
partially
Adam: why are they
losing control?
Chuck: because places
like Russia and Canada have diamonds all over
Adam: The diamond mine
in Canada is owned by DeBeers.
Chuck: not all of
them. (smiling)
Adam: According to the
OSS DeBeers was supplying industrial diamonds to the Nazis which
were essential for the mass production of their military. How was it
that Germany was able to afford to build a military capable of
taking on all of Europe after a collapsed economy and post WWI
reparations?
Chuck: (responded with
a smile...no reply)
Chuck:
I happen to be well versed on the subject, I was in the CIA for 25
years.
I didn't know how to reply. And Mr. Knuff could see that I was
visible stunned.
Mr. Knuff walked from his kitchen to his sliding door leading
outside to his covered patio and BBQ before continuing.
Chuck:
You didn't expect to hear that did you?
Adam: No
Chuck: No one knew not
even my siblings.
Adam: How did you get
join the CIA?
Chuck: I am a
mathematician, the CIA wants those kind of people.
Chuck:
The Agent software (that his company Forte Inc. designed) is not
only being used by companies. There are a number of government
agencies using the software as well.
Chuck: My brother
asked me how I could work with the CIA knowing all of the things
that they do, and I told him that I never did anything that I
morally objected to. That is not to say that I wasn't aware of
things that I objected to but we did a lot of good things.
Chuck:
You have no idea how close the world was to nuclear war between
Pakistan and India. No one does, had we not made them aware of what
the other was doing; there could have very easily been a nuclear
response.
Chuck: When I would
travel 'in country', that's what it's called when we would be
operating in a foreign country - I would not care
any forms of identification.
The subject changed and we discussed Gary Gevissers credibility and
how I met him.
I explained some of Gary's professional history involving corporate
restructuring.
Adam: I met Gary years ago while doing some computer
consulting. His great grandmother was orphaned at around 8 and grew
up in the same small village as David Ben Gurion. She eventually
became a runner for Ben Gurion. As a British
Citizen she could move in and out of British occupied
Palestine during the enforcement of the British White Papers of
1939. Have you heard of the British White Papers?
Chuck: I think so...
Adam: They were
policies enforced on British controlled Palestine limiting the
number of Jews that could enter Palestine to just 10,000 per year at
a time when Auschwitz alone was killing 10,000 per day. The British
were basically bottlenecking the Jews for the Nazis to then execute
them.
Chuck: Yes I remember
now.
Adam: On Gary's
paternal side, his grandfather, Israel Issy Gevisser, co-founded in
1910, with his brother Morris, The Moshal Gevisser Group of
Companies, a
multinational trading conglomerate which was used during the
enforcement of the British White Papers to smuggle Jews and supplies
into Palestine.
Adam: I didn't realize
it until just this past year or so that Gary was using me to screen
his emails - asking questions about what I took from the emails to
see if the information that he was sharing would stand out to an
ordinary person.
Chuck: (nodded and
said "yes" with a look of understanding)
Adam: Have you heard
of the name Charles Engelhard?
Chuck: Yes
Adam: Engelhard
Minerals and Chemicals - one of the most mineral rich companies in
the world. In the 1960s, the Managing Director of Moshal Gevisser
Sol Moshal, began meeting with Charles Engelhard Jr. while his
nephew David Gevisser, who was a first cousin of Garys father,
Bernie Gevisser, was a senior executive of Acme Timber, one of the
many companies under the umbrella of the public corporation, Moshal
Gevisser. I guess the timber industry is also used for moving wealth
around and laundering money.
Chuck: (nodded his
head indicating yes)
Adam: Anyway, Sol
Moshal, who had no male heirs, just like Engelhard, and his
favorite nephew David Gevisser whose father Morris had married
Sols sister Janie, helped Engelhard orchestrate in 1969 the hostile
takeover of the familys trading company, and in exchange for his
help, David Gevisser was rewarded the position of CEO of Engelhard
Enterprises South Africa which included control of the world supply
of platinum, and in 1971, following the Mossad assassinating
Engelhard on March 2nd, 1971, having turned 54 the month
before, David Gevisser [44] was named executor of Engelhards estate
and paid in addition to his salary as Chief Executive Officer of
Engelhard Enterprises, South Africa, the sum of US$ 6 million. This
put Garys uncle David Gevisser whose father Morris had died many
years before, leaving Garys grandfather Issy with the control
block of shares in Moshal Gevisser, in a power position. So when
Gary arrived in the United States in 1978, he was armed with a
letter of introduction, signed by David Gevisser, to provide the
attorneys of Engelhard Minerals and Chemicals who without Gary going
through any type of job interview put him in a trusted position
[1979] working for a principle DeBeers site holder on 47th
Street [New York City]. DeBeers only sells diamonds to some 250
carefully chosen people in the world and they are called site
holders.
Chuck: I know what
site holders are.
Adam: While he (Gary)
was in their employment, he was in attendance of price fixing
meetings conducted here in the United States between his boss,
Stephen Cohen, the principal of Codiam Inc. and a guy named Martin
Rapaport of the Rapaport Report, the international pricing
periodical for cut and polished diamonds.
Chuck: (nodded his
head indicating "yes")
Chuck: I am well aware
of DeBeers and diamond currency. I have seen a report or two
Adam: I know the CIA
uses diamond currency
Chuck: (no reply)
Chuck: How do you know
that you can trust this guy (Gary Gevisser)?
Adam: I have known him
since 2002, and he has been consistent.
Chuck: Its just when
I hear talk about Mossad assassinations I can't help
but question the persons credibility. What is it that you hope to
accomplish?
Adam: We want to level
the playing field. I remember you telling me the last time that we
met (when I was 18) that the internet was just barely being tapped
into, and there are huge opportunities waiting. Well, history has
always being written by the people in power, and the internet
provides a means of communication and recording history like never
before, affording the opportunity for information to spread quickly.
Chuck: The majority of
people have no idea about the real world and are not capable of
understanding.
Adam:
This past April I went for a walk and came home and this was on my
front door (I handed Mr. Knuff FBI Special Agent Curran Thomersons
business card)
Chuck: (Reading the
hand written note from the back of the card, he laughs) Ha, ha,
'Adam, Please call', that's standard procedure for them.
Adam: Don't you think
it is strange that he came all the way to my apartment when he was
satisfied with just a phone call?
Chuck: Sounds like
standard procedure... If you were someone important to them you
wouldn't know it. They would have devices in your car, your home,
your phones and emails would be screened. You probably just flagged
some key words and they were going through standard procedure to
document it.
We then walked into his kitchen from his outside patio where he was
grilling two steaks and Mr. Knuff said with a very straight face,
"If you are considered a threat, you
won't know it until you hear the sound of a bullet entering your
skull."
Adam: With everything
moving in the direction of transparency people will be held
accountable if diamond currency is no longer in the equation.
Diamonds are very simply a vehicle for moving wealth around without
leaving a money trail.
Adam: What are your
thoughts on the Straits of Harmoz?
Chuck: What about it?
Adam: Iran has said
that they would mine the passage and embroil that region in war
preventing the passage of oil if Israel attacks their nuclear
facilities.
Chuck: They have mined
that area. What does that mean, attack Iran's nuclear facilities?
Adam: Israel won't
allow a nuclear armed Iran.
Chuck: Israel doesn't
have the capabilities of destroying all of their facilities. I
happen to be well read on that part of the world. Iran is more of a
threat to Saudi Arabia than they are to Israel.
Adam: And we protect
Saudi Arabia
Chuck: Exactly
Chuck: You remember
what happened in Syria?
Adam: Israel destroyed
the nuclear facility.
Chuck: They did that
because the US couldn't.
Adam: Have you seen
the swastika shaped naval barracks on Coronado Island?
Chuck: I have, people
can see what they want to see in anything. There are swastikas all
over India. Are you saying that the US are Nazis? (smiling)
Adam: I think the
relationship between the US and Israel is very duopolistic. The
plans for that building were submitted for approval on November
28th, 1967 - just about 6 months after Israel deliberately attacked
the USS Liberty.
Chuck: What makes you
think that it was deliberate?
Adam: IAF [Israel Air
Force] did a flyby at 9am but didn't attack the USS Liberty until
2pm
Chuck: I happen to be
involved in that investigation (the attack on the USS
Liberty) and I know it was just a major fuck up.
Adam: Why hasn't the
US ever helped Israel militarily?
Chuck: Oil (smiling).
You should be careful about associating yourself with something like
this. You are a smart guy, and articulate as fuck. (implying Israel
did not know what they were doing).
Chuck:
We
spy on our enemies and we spy on our friends.
There is so much that you could be doing. Why don't you
help people in a way that you can see some results?
Adam: So far I haven't
found anything other than this (just3ants) that addresses the
problem and not just a symptom.
Chuck: You could be
doing so much more with yourself; this kind of stuff can stick with
ya.
Without sharing any information or having any discussion about my
education;
Chuck: It doesn't
matter that you don't have a degree, my brother doesn't have a
degree and he is successful. I started my first business when I was
26.
Mr. Knuff shared with me that he was 59 years old at the time of our
meeting. If he spent 10 years in Navy intelligence and 25 years in
the CIA and he says he started his first business when he was 26 and
he was also involved in the investigation of the attack on the USS
Liberty which occurred in 1967 when Chuck Knuff just 18 years of
age, there may have been some overlap.
COMMUNICATIONS
Thursday, December 25, 2008 7:52 PM PT Gary Gevisser
sends Chuck Knuff an email.
Email discusses Mr. Knuff using his meeting with Adam to threaten
and intimidate.
Friday December 26, 10:14AM PST
Adam sends Chuck email, asking him to confirm receipt of Garys
email.
Friday December 26, 2008 1:22PM PST
Chuck calls Adams Cell - No voice message
Friday December 26, 2008 1:43PM
PST - Chuck calls Adams Cell - No voice message
Friday December 26, 2008 4:28PM
PST - Chuck calls Adams Cell - No voice message
Tuesday February 24, 2009 8:45am
PST - Chuck calls Adams Cell - 10 seconds "Hey Adam it's
uh chuck if you have a chance, could you give me a ring? Uh
760-703-6725"
Tuesday, March 24, 2009 10:41 AM
Chuck Knuffs Dallas based attorney, Alan Loewinsohn sends Adam L.
Tucker, a threatening email.
Tuesday, March 24, 2009 10:42 AM
Chuck Knuffs Dallas based attorney, Alan Loewinsohn sends Gary S.
Gevisser a threatening email.
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From:
Chuck.knuff@forteinc.com
[mailto:Chuck.knuff@forteinc.com]
Sent: Monday, October
13, 2008 3:09 PM
To: Adam L Tucker
Subject: RE: Hi
Hi Adam
I am in Bonsall
(North County) who are you going to be working for in NC...
I am out of town
for a couple of weeks, I will let you know my schedule when I return
Regards
Chuck
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From:
Adam L Tucker
Sent: Monday, October
13, 2008 2:29 PM
To: Chuck.knuff@forteinc.com
[mailto:Chuck.knuff@forteinc.com]
Subject: RE: Hi
Hey Chuck,
Things are going
very well. How are you?
Are you still
living in the Carlsbad area? I am currently living in Normal Heights
but hope to be relocating very soon to North County for work; if you
are still local, would you like to meet for lunch sometime?
Cheers,
Adam
858 442 2858
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From: Chuck.knuff@forteinc.com
[mailto:Chuck.knuff@forteinc.com]
Sent: Monday, October 13, 2008 8:25 AM
To: Adam_L_Tucker <adam@just3ants.com/@forteinc.com
Subject: Hi
Hi Adam
Thanks for the email, hope all things are good with you..
My cell is 760.703.6725
Regards
Chuck
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