Warning to Christians …

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• David Eaton

  My guess is that the point Christianity became more influenced by pagans than by its Jewish roots, it all went out the window. You can see it in Acts, when Peter comes to the conclusion that keeping kosher wasn’t going to be a thing for non-Jewish derived Christians

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  • Cate Bennett

    yes, based on a ‘vision’ or dream

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    Gary Gevisser

    Cate Bennett are you Jewish? If so where did you get your Jewish knowledge?

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  • David Eaton

    Cate Bennett well, so it is said. I would never assume they just write things to keep the narrative straight, or anything.

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  • Cate Bennett

    Gary Gevisser I am. Go to my home page and that becomes pretty evident.

     

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  • Gary Gevisser

    Cate Bennett did it say where you get your Jewish knowledge?

     

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  • Cate Bennett

    Gary Gevisser Twenty years of intense study — 5 years in preparation for conversion, having read a small library of books on many aspects of Judaism, and studying with multiple rabbis. I lived with one for many years.

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  • Cate Bennett

    Are you Jewish?

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  • Gary Gevisser

    Cate Bennett, the reason I ask is because most of us Jewish people can name at least one specific rabbi and/or when reading Torah which has a bunch of ingenious contradictions to help us Jews think that much sharper because as you know the word “Israel” in Hebrew translates literally into “Struggle-Question God”, we should come up with the most important question that goes beyond questioning Christians on whether they are breaking the cardinal sin, never to worship idols of the tyrant rulers.

     

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  • Gary Gevisser

    Cate Bennett I’ve read, “Twenty …”.

    Did you read, “… the reason I ask …”?

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  • Gary Gevisser

    Cate Bennett, do you know what that question is?

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  • Cate Bennett

    Gary Gevisser No I have not read ‘the reason I ask’.

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  • Gary Gevisser

    Cate Bennett let me know when you have.

     

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  • Cate Bennett

    Gary Gevisser I’m not sure I really understood your post. I do know the meaning of Israel and have a funny story about it related to my conversion, but too long to post in FB. I didn’t understand your first sentence about naming a rabbi.

    As I said, I hesitated to post, as I have some dear Christian friends. I have always been curious why, when the “Big 10 Commandments” loom so large in Christianity, the prohibition against idolatry is ignored. Maybe it was insensitive to post this.

     

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  • Gary Gevisser

    Cate Bennett, “… the reason I ask …” which should have taken you less than 5 seconds, also answers your question; yes, I am Jewish.

     

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  • Gary Gevisser

    Cate Bennett you started out “Warning to Christians …” which you knew could piss off a lot of them, but it is a legitimate question.

    It is however, more important that you know the most important question which has escaped the attention of the world for the past 3000 years.

    Here is a hint.

    What does Torah say about God giving the Land of Israel to us Jewish people?

    Also what is contradictory in our 4th Commandment that our Jewish rabbis should have jumped on the moment they saw it?

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  • Gary Gevisser

    David Eaton, I see that you have accepted my fb friend request.

    The time is 3:28 PM California time, November 6, 2021, 5 days following the 49th anniversary of first spending time with Mossad head, Prime Minister David Ben Gurion.

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  • Gary Gevisser

    David Eaton, it is now 3:29 PM, are you following along my discourse with Cate Bennett?

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  • David Eaton

    Gary Gevisser yes. Interesting, indeed.

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  • Gary Gevisser

    David Eaton and Cate Bennett, and the rest watching in real time, who, take my word for it are considerable, I consider this conversation important enough to be reposting it up on my 2facetruth dot. com BLOG

    https://www.2facetruth.com/124565-2/

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    Gary Gevisser

    Cate Bennett, why not invite not only our 7 mutual fb friends but all your remaining 681 odd fb friends, to join us.

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  • Gary Gevisser

    Cate Bennett, bear in mind it is important that we have not only a scholarly David Eaton writing, “Interesting, indeed” and clearly he remains a searcher of truth-logic, but you are also not writing, but certainly thinking.

    What are you thinking?

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  • Gary Gevisser

    Cate Bennett, I am not trying to trick you because I am not a tricky person.

    It is also good that you have not removed this discourse or otherwise tried to censor.

    Moreover, the best Jewish people have been converts from other religions, a fact of life perfectly understood by the General of Generals Ben Gurion.

    Not to mention, you would also expect the enemies of us Questioning Jewish People to turn the weak of us Jewish people.

    The Torah is full of treachery.

    To mention little of Ben Gurion in the first of our private meetings following 1 November 1972, after congratulating me, “It is good that we have a skater in the family :)” asked about my highly secretive British-English mother Zena’s private secretary Elizabeth Downey who converted to Judaism, moved to Israel from Durban, South Africa, and married a permanent force officer in the IDF.

    

    

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  • Iain Kobak Elabo

    I am a Xian and not remotely offended by the question. The ancient church (and some modern fundie types) still discuss, argue and or condemn this (“making” of “graven images”)

    The church finally came down on “if it isn’t being worshipped, it’s OK”

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      Iain Kobak Elabo

      BTW Gary, I see you are transposing this conversation to a public blog. Since the OP is not set to public, you should ask people’s permission to post their post and comments to a public setting. For the record I do not give permission to do so, tx

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  Cate Bennett

  Gary, you apparently had quite a conversation with yourself after I went back to work. I’m under the pressure of 3 work deadlines by Nov 10 and 15, respectively. I use FB as a minor distraction between tasks.

  I don’t know where you got such ideas that I would censor or block you. You seem to have something specific on your mind, so instead of beating around the bush, why not just say it? I don’t have time for your guessing games. I would caution you to take Iain’s comment seriously. You seem to be be bent on turning this post, which I reposted from a private site called “A Jew’s View” to a very large venue.

   

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    Gary Gevisser

    Cate Bennett , I have had my timely and accurate writings censored ever since I had 4 articles published in the Jerusalem Post following the treason pardon of terrorist financier, Marc Rich on President Clinton’s last day in office, January 20, 2001.

    Nor will you find more controversial articles which also hit hard at sitting Israel Prime Minister Barak in the 89 odd year history of the Jerusalem Post.

    Guaranteed also, highly decorated Israeli Special Forces Commanding Officer Barak would not be able to refute my findings given my knowledge of Marc Rich whose history with my former employer Harry Oppenheimer-Engelhard Minerals & Chemicals Corporation dates back to 1958 when Rich first came to mineral rich South Africa, and after 6 months he left empty handed, which was not his intention, but still he managed to succeed in rising to the top under the Peter Principle.

    Moreover, my revelations about Rich have in all probability resulted in the abandonment of the movie production set to star Matt Damon and John Krazinski based on the fatally flawed nonfiction book by Swiss author, Daniel Ammann, King of Oil: The Secret Lives of Marc Rich.

    Cate, I go to the trouble of giving a lot of my personal history which is not close to having a conversation with myself, and you know it.

    You will have seen that David Eaton who shows a very rational cv recognized instantly that what I had to say, “yes. Interesting, indeed”, but you only bring up this Iain Kobak Elabo who obviously would prefer less rather than more people see this conversation; to mention little of why be defensive about the truth; to mention in passing fb have yet to notify me that I’m violating their rules of sharing our knowledge; not to mention, I also don’t think for a moment that I have violated any moral principle.

    More importantly, land use and ownership is a very big issue that is not only important for both religious and irreligious people, but it goes to the heart of the biggest ill plaguing civilized man; namely, the death of the planet, loss of more than 75% of the green space in the last 100 years caused by overpopulation and an economic index GDP which has us measuring success backwards, thus encouraging overpopulation; all the result of a colossal insensitivity.

    The funniest part is that when bringing it all to people’s attention, they go into denial, with very few exceptions.

    Cate Bennett, I gave you a very good hint.

    We were given the land as a people, and for the Jewish people to share equally, not for individual real estate speculators who have the resources, most of which have been stolen using brutal force, and we are talking about the mineral resources first used to make weapon weapon systems giving the biggest thieves an advantage over everyone else.

    Nor do the mineral monopolists with whom, again I have great familiarity, share equally or for that matter fairly according to the norms, which are, and have always been, to have the soldiers receiving most, if not all, the spoils of war.

    In a nutshell; the individual profiting from land in Israel of Israel, is both illogical and not close to being in conformity with what the Torah says about giving the Land of Israel to all the Jewish people.

    Yes, I know this important subject matter very well given how Ben Gurion organized for my paternal grandfather, Israel Issy Gevisser (c. 1890 – February 24, 1970), the co-founder of multinational trading conglomerate, The Moshal Gevisser Group of Companies (1910-1970) to purchase in 1929, the most valuable Haifa harbor properties.

     

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  At 11:04 AM Calif. time, November 9, 2021, I responded to Cate Bennett’s last response before she blocked and unfriended me on facebook, which sought assistance from our mutual fb friend at the time, David Eaton, because she says she was confused by what I was driving at:

• Title: After the next generation this was not valid

  @Cate Bennett, no one on the planet, including David Eaton is capable of being clearer than, “In a nutshell; the individual profiting from land in Israel, is both illogical and not close to being in conformity with what the Torah says about giving the Land of Israel to all the Jewish people.”

  You should not be confused or for that matter irritated with me who is sharing not only the most important ill of this world, but the solution to this manmade problem which the religious should have been the first to identify given how we all know that whoever controls the land owns the banks, the politicians and they just have to pay the soldiers a fair wage that cannot be less than the bought politician.

  It is right to question Christians about their “worshipping of human idols” which of course some of them will not try to refute and put their belief system down to indoctrination, brainwashing from an early age which they don’t know how to overcome.

  Others you might find arguing that the trilogy is their reverence towards saintly people even though it is clear in their preachings that Jesus Christ is the “Son of God” which obviously is more than a saint.

  So us Jewish people who are more into money power than we are into ancient texts which are all about war, treachery of family, friends and business associates focus on admonishing Christians for violating the 10 Commandments, as “idol human worship”, an affront to the essence of Judaism contained in the well known Jewish edict, “Hear Israel, I am the Lord, your God, God is one”.

  God is not divisible.

  That means no human should be above another unless they have earned that right, and the Jewish people as a community, are in full agreement.

  I also went to the trouble of suggesting you read up on the German-South African Oppenheimer family who should have been the first prosecuted at the Nuremberg War Crimes Tribunals, and instead they and their supporters grew from strength to strength; and when they couldn’t defeat us on the battlefields they went about destroying us from the inside.

  Not to mention, chapter 16 of The Diamond Invention book, WARRING WITH ISRAEL explains the farce of the “rule of law”and should have long shut down all the business, economics and law schools throughout the globe.

  It explains extortion, crimes of high treason unprecedented in human history.

  Most important is that the SA Oppenheimers were once Jewish before they were ostracized by good Jewish people like my grandfather Israel Issy Gevisser, and the Oppenheimers waited for the right opportunity to take their vengeance.

  Moreover, us Jewish people consider ourselves the “Chosen People” for God not only granting us the wisdom to never bow to a human ruler who just wants slaves to ensure their luxurious lifestyle and to obey with a sword hanging over their head at all times, but for us to dwell in the Land of Israel as a united people.

  You shouldn’t have to read Plato to know that private ownership of real estate and the eating of dairy-meat, herding of other animal species who are not fixated on weapon systems to subdue the militarily weaker, will lead to the death of humanity because those teachings are the embodiment of Judaism.

  We also know that throwing stones can result in reprisals if one doesn’t have truth-logic at one’s side.

  Before laying a glove on other people’s religion or beliefs, one first has to explain what brought about the richest Israelis today being private owners of real estate and the development of weapon systems such as missiles?

  One is taught to always follow the money trail until arriving at the primary source.

  The fact that the SA Oppenheimers have managed to insulate themselves well doesn’t change the fact that in terms of wealth they stand head and shoulders richer than any other South African while remaining fixated on turning the weakest of us Jewish people.

  The SA Oppenheimers also know they didn’t need to accomplish their goal of weakening us Jewish people to a pulp in 7 days.

  They have also had the Roman Catholic Church in their back pocket long before the gas chambers were built at Auschwitz, Treblinka and the such.

  There is again nothing in Torah which speaks to individual Jews profiting from the land given to all the Jewish people.

  It is also the religious Jews of Israel who control the politics-economics and they know I have hit on their Achilles’ heel.

  The “push back” is electrifying, and you would expect this “Judas” to come from the weakest of us Jewish people.

  That is because deeply imbedded in the foundation of modern day Jewish law which understandably the rest, who also want to get rid of us, have latched on to, is private land ownership.

  If the religious Jews no longer have Torah supporting individual Israelis profiting from the land given by God to all the Jewish people, you have the most powerful sect neutralized.

  Yes, they are angry.

  They are very angry.

  They are even willing to lie and say, “When the Jewish people entered the land of Israel, according to their tribe were allocated land. Each according to family size”.

  Doesn’t that sound exactly like something taken verbatim from scripture?

  Then they continue, “After the next generation this was not valid.”

  Cate you have heard of the Big Lie.

  Once caught with the Big Lie comes the no less insidious coverup, “But I believe it is not exactly written, it may be in Rashi.”

  Cate, it is not in Rashi but by saying “may be” they think they are giving themselves a way out of their Big Lie.

  Then come the threats.

  It is all crystal clear on my Facebook group chat-symposium, Name Someone Stupid.

  Again, check out my 2facetruth dot com BLOG.

  Chosen People designation pisses off a lot of people.

  Why do you think no one else has pointed out over the past 3000 years how clear is Torah that no individual man created the land and therefore for the individual to profit from the land is not fair even if they have the biggest gun.

  If they have the biggest gun then the soldiers in the winning army should be rewarded with the land, period.

  If they are not smart enough to take care of their farmers who also provide the best and strongest “shoulders” [sic] then they better employ the best slaves or they will need to fight the closest King and Queen or seek an accommodation that can easily be revoked.
• Gary Gevisser

  Cate Bennett, I responded to you at 3:41 PM Calif. time yesterday.

  It is now 7:11 PM.

  I also understand that you have a life outside of facebook, which you have made clear.

  I also know from past experience, being at it in earnest some 21 years when I “gifted” my Jewish Allied Fighter Bomber Pilot father Bernie Gevisser

  

  

  
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  on his 77th birthday, October 18, 2000 this Perspective One
  https://www.2facetruth.com/perspective-one-october-18-2000/

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• Gary Gevisser

  At the tail-end, I provide in this bullet proof, military peace plan, a brief bio of myself that includes making detailed reference to my first meeting with Mossad head, General of Generals, David Ben Gurion.

  Cate Bennett, have you heard of The Diamond Invention book written by esteemed author, Professor Edward Jay Epstein back in 1978 which future clients of mine, Simon & Schuster published in 1982 and which today is available free on the Internet without having to download it?

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