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Screenshot: 2:17 PM Calif. time, Sunday 20 November 22

 

Dan Kelly

4:42 PM Saturday 19 Nov. 22

 

I’ve only influenced about 3 nonvegans in 19 years. I’m an abject failure at vegan advocacy with plenty of evidence to prove it. But even 100% ineffective advocacy is somewhat therapeutic while living among fucking savages.

I’ve only influenced about 3 nonvegans in 19 years. I’m an abject failure at vegan advocacy with plenty of evidence to prove it. But even 100% ineffective advocacy is somewhat therapeutic while living among fucking savages.

 

34 Comments

  • Chris Grant
    I’ve only convinced a few myself. But they go on to convince others hopefully. Ripple effect

 

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  • Yogamaya Trident
    I wonder if Al-Maari had influenced any in the society he lived,yet today his words echo to many of us. Who knows how many vegans are influenced to stand alone and stand strong reading your posts . Your words echo principle .
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    • Dan Kelly
      If I’ve influenced people, it probably has been mostly other vegans to be unequivocal about the issue.
    • 19h


    • Danni Paterson
      Dan Kelly can certainly say that’s been true for me and I’m sure the same is true for many others who know you as well. That in itself has great impact and will continue to ripple out to others.
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  • Philip Powell
    You’ve had a big impact on me. I knew little about moral philosophy until I started engaging with you. You started me on a journey that has transformed my life and my advocacy.
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  • Francesco Colotta
    It’s better than nothing, you’re doing in a big or small part your invaluable bit, I’ve had about 4 good responses thanking me for de-blocking and opening that last bit of their minds they needed to get to the other side, but there’s many that don’t even think about it anymore, by whom they were inspired, they don’t even remember, so what?!, the good thing is, the numbers are growing worldwide, so it’s all good !! That makes all the harassment, name calling and living amongst uncivilized barbarians, all worth it !!
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  • Mylène DM
    You’re planting seeds. You don’t know if someone has or will become vegan because you have planted seeds, and later they learn more and decide to go vegan.
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  • Kimberly Baldwin
    You may have influenced more and not known about it. Planting seeds is so important. It’s what changed me. Keep on!

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  • Hayley Elizabeth Buckland
    You’ve probably influenced a lot more than you realize, just by being vegan you influence.18h

    • Dan Kelly
      When I say “influence,” I mean convince or persuade a nonvegan to be vegan.I probably have “influenced” several nonvegans to respect vegans and veganism more than they otherwise would have. But what counts for me is someone becoming a vegan.
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    • Hayley Elizabeth Buckland
      Dan Kelly I was convinced to go vegan by a vegan friend on Facebook.I never told her, because I never really knew it was her, it was her ‘influence’, I know for a fact that I have influenced some of my non vegan friends, to the point they support my vegan posts and write and ask me privately for recipes.Just because they aren’t telling you directly, doesn’t mean you aren’t changing minds, ultimately people are responsible for their choices, you can only lead the horse to water… many will be drinking, they just aren’t telling you, because it’s their choice to be vegan in the end.
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    • Dan Kelly
      It’s definitely not our fault that they’re not vegan. That’s why I wrote that even ineffective advocacy is therapeutic while living among savages. If we’ve attempted to educate them, it’s their fault that they fail to research it and do the right thing. Education is a two way street.And someone might suggest that it’s our (or my) approach. But that’s not the problem. All of my successes have been from hard-hitting logic and strong arguments. None of my successes have been from the gentle approach (at work and with family and offline acquaintances). And with family, I’ve influenced them most when I’ve been confrontational. If anything, vegans (including me) are too weak in our approach, notwithstanding nonvegan whining about confrontational vegans.
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  • Gregory Patrick Coggin
    Keep planting seeds !
    People are getting exposed to the harsh realities of animal agriculture more than ever these days.
    Keep going !!
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  • Gary Gevisser
    Convincing the meat-dairy industry who control the brainwashing is the only way to achieve a final positive outcome, outside of WW3.That means understanding the money side that drives the human to be savages.A good start to understand the mindset of the mining oligarchs who control the entire show is Professor Edward Jay Epstein’s epic 1978 non fiction book The Diamond Invention that is free on the internet.    http://www.edwardjayepstein.com/diamond/chap1.htmThen ask me your questions.Btw, I was recruited right out of university in early 1978 by Harry Oppenheimer who is the central character of the book.9:09 PM Saturday 19 Nov. Edited



    • Dan Kelly
      I didn’t read about the diamond invention, but I heard a (the?) story about it many years ago, so I have an idea of what you’re referring to, even if I’m missing something. (Please let me know if I am.) Do you think the mining oligarchs could have been talked out of their racket?Most humans (the exception being vegans and pre-vegans) are socially conforming savages. They’ll conform with any socially accepted atrocity no matter how horrific. I’m betting WW3 will occur prior to cultural improvement. I do vegan advocacy out of principle and because it’s therapeutic. I have very little hope for a brighter future, especially with 8 billion humans.

      11:23 PM Saturday 19 Nov.

      Gary Gevisser
      Title: Not to fool with

      Dan Kelly, no they couldn’t be talked out of their racket, unless it is possible to get everyone in the same internet room or interconnecting rooms and/or to speed up the process own a social media platform like Twitter as does my fb friend Errol Graham Musk’s eldest son Elon and you not only fear leaving a legacy that you are as stupid as everyone else, but you have the intelligence to realize that us earthlings are not alone; karma-destiny is not just something to talk about, rather each of us has a purpose to achieving the highest good and that would include the most rotten such as Putin, Stalin and Hitler.For good reason I am optimistic that Elon Musk will make the right decision and not wait until it is too late before exposing his mineral suppliershttps://twitter.com/garygev…/status/1222656029718142976…

      who have a sword hanging over his head.

      Moreover, Nicholas Oppenheimer has already faltered horribly this past 17 March when cutting in half the photo of himself and Putin on his Wikipedia profile which wouldn’t be lost on either Putin or the other puppet politicians, to mention little of Hollywood’s role in this rather laughable fiasco.

      The problem of man’s inhumanity does not begin with the mining oligarchs led by one small South African Oppenheimer family who I named earlier in my succinct writings; and I also included a link to The D I book which you could easily have read before responding, and going on to cover other subjects which all fall by the wayside once you understand who runs the entire show.

      The people don’t question because the schools don’t encourage it.

      It goes however much deeper than that atrocity because when the people are given the information, including the poor, they turn their back on the truth and show they want nothing to do with Freedom of Speech, no different to the filthy rich who you don’t expect to enquire if there is a correlation between the insanely illogical and morally reprehensible Gross Domestic Product economic index and the destruction of the oxygen producing rain forests, replaced by cattle ranching to support human overpopulation.

      You expect there to be however at least one honest philosopher, but that too is not to be found.

      As you run the numbers you quickly realize it is impossible to calculate the chances of this beastly, increasingly savage human being completely unconscious.

      It amounts to the same chances of this universe emerging out of nothing which is what General Relativity-Quantum Gravity-Physics points to in every direct experiment, including the mind-boggling double slit experiment that shows our most sophisticated mechanical detectors are being observed and interfered with.

      It is a humbling experience to know that you are being watched 24/7 and your dreams no less important.

      Of course we have a choice always in doing the right thing and then waiting to see if the first reward is being blessed not only with great health and vitality but with the most unimaginably beautiful mind-body lifetime lover.

      Nor do vegans have the high moral ground because how can you tell a meat and dairy farmer to give up their wealth without a clear and immediate alternative.

      When there is zero competetion for the minerals, there is no competition, period.

      Earlier I had to write to a misbehaving relative who thought he could pull the wool over my eyes.

      We should all make everything very public given that those pulling the strings of our puppet politicians know everything that is happening other than the “Hand of God” is not something to fool with.

      How would we know the genius of light-knowledge creation without the human ego being so dark, yet fragile when put to the test and it cannot reason.

      Lack of Knowledge-Information-Light-Energy, power to change the world stems from people being lazy and fearful of embracing the truth ~ Marie Dion Gevisser

      Let me know if you wish to be added to my email list and to join my fb group chat-symposium, Name Someone Stupid which given that I’ve reached the 250 limit requires removing one of the unconscious voyeurs.

      Of course you would have to take Mark Zuckerberg to be a fool if he wasnt following.

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12:07 PM Sunday 20 Nov. 22

    • Dan Kelly
      lol, I keep posting this comment and Facebook seems to be deleting it. This is the third time. I changed the spelling of one word to see if that avoids the censorship.I didn’t read about the diamond invention, but I heard a (the?) story about it many years ago, so I have an idea of what you’re referring to, even if I’m missing something. (Please let me know if I am.) Do you think the mining oligarchs could have been talked out of their racket?Most humans (the exception being vegans and pre-vegans) are socially conforming s@v@jes. They’ll conform with any socially accepted atrocity no matter how horrific. I’m betting WW3 will occur prior to cultural improvement. I do vegan advocacy out of principle and because it’s therapeutic. I have very little hope for a brighter future, especially with 8 billion humans.      12:26 PM Sunday 20 Nov. 22
    • Gary Gevisser
      Dan Kelly your response 25 minutes ago “… humans”, is not only a repeat of what you wrote 5 hours ago, other than it explains that Facebook-Zuckerberg is watching, but you make no mention of “not to fool with” which I sent some 42 minutes ago.      12:55 PM Sunday 20 Nov.
    •  Dan KellyGary Gevisser Something is wrong with my Facebook app. My comments are all now appearing. I also now see your “not to fool with” comment, which was hidden before.Anyway, the only response I have to your comment is that human overpopulation, especially combined with industrialization (which encourages more overpopulation) is the world’s biggest problem.
      • I’ll add that vegans have the moral high ground as much as abolitionists against human chattel slavery had the moral high ground over slaveholders. Just as a loss of slave wealth was irrelevant to abolitionists, a loss of slave wealth of animal exploiters is irrelevant to me. They should find a morally acceptable way to make a living. Would you also say we don’t have the moral high ground to tell drug cartels to close their businesses?1:18 PM Sunday 20 Nov.

  • Jacqueline Petsch
    It’s a heartbreaking reality I’ve had to accept more and more in my old age. I can’t make a difference. People are just hard-wired to not care. I can’t make people feel emotions they aren’t capable of feeling. I know of nobody who has even so much as considered changing because of me.Unfortunately minorities can’t ever make any real, meaningful difference. The world is too big and too apathetic and sadistic. A drop of paint in the ocean doesn’t change its colour. It’s another reason why I’m pessimistic about precision fermentation or any lab-grown animal products – even if we could acquire meat without sentencing animals to death and injury, we’d still invent more and more ways to destroy them, just to show how superior we think we are to them.10h


  • Chris Schob
    How can you possibly know it’s 3?
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    • Dan Kelly
      I wrote “about 3.” I don’t know if there are more than 3, but I doubt there are many more, if any.The main reason I doubt there are more is from my experience with family, work associates and acquaintances offline, who number over 50.They know I’m vegan and why. Several of them have been exposed to strong vegan advocacy. Others have only been exposed to the gentle approach.      None of them are vegan, including many who have known me for over 20 years. By contrast, if even one of them became vegan before me, I would have looked into veganism and become vegan.Another reason is the responses I’ve received to probably a couple of thousand or more online vegan comments over the years. Only once or twice have nonvegans replied to me in a reasonable way instead of trolling. (I don’t mean that they became vegan. I just mean that they initially replied with questions instead of insults or absurdities.) if the new vegan rate were higher than pretty much nil, I’d see the occasional “I am not vegan, but you’ve given me something to think about.” I have *never* seen a reply like that. Even the polite questioners end up not agreeing with very strong arguments (politely stated).Given these experiences, why should I believe it’s more than the 3 who have messaged me that I influenced their decision to become vegan? Maybe it’s double that, 6, but that’s still pathetic. I can’t see it being more than 6 given my 19 years of experience with nonvegans.6h


    • Kendrick Gainey
      A familiar dystopia with all new participants unfolds certainly on the other side of this world crisis. An infinite amount of people and time participating in false virtue and blank growth of values.51m
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  • Erin Fernandes
    And you never know who you may have influenced, between sharing posts, in person, advocacy, your actions, etc.
    5h


  • Marija Stankovic
    It’s hard. It’s really hard trying to transform psychopaths and make them feel for their victims

12:47 PM Sunday 20 Nov.

 

  • Gary Gevisser
    Dan Kelly, I assume unless you tell me otherwise that you removed my “Not to fool with”, and if so that cannot be therapeutic for you.

    Repeating:Title: Not to fool with (Word count 724)

    Dan Kelly, no they couldn’t be talked out of their racket unless it is possible to get everyone in the same internet room or interconnecting rooms and/or to speed up the process own a social media platform like Twitter as does my fb friend Errol Graham Musk’s eldest son Elon, and you not only fear leaving a legacy that you are as stupid as everyone else, but you have the intelligence to realize that us earthlings are not alone; karma-destiny is not just something to talk about but each of us has a purpose to achieving the highest good and that would include the most rotten such as Putin, Stalin and Hitler.For good reason I am optimistic that Elon Musk will make the right decision and not wait until it is too late before exposing his mineral suppliers

    https://twitter.com/garygev…/status/1222656029718142976…

    who have a sword hanging over his head.

    Moreover, Nicholas Oppenheimer has already faltered horribly this past 17 March when cutting in half the photo of himself and Putin on his Wikipedia profile which wouldn’t be lost on either Putin or the other puppet politicians, to mention little of Hollywood’s role in this rather laughable fiasco.

    The problem of man’s inhumanity does not rest with the mining oligarchs led by one small South African Oppenheimer family who I named earlier in my succinct writings and I also included a link to The D I book which you could easily have read before responding, and going on to cover other subjects which all fall by the wayside once you understand who runs the entire show.

    The people don’t question because the schools don’t encourage it.

    It goes, however, much deeper than that atrocity because when the people are given the information, including the poor, they turn their back on the truth and show they want nothing to do with Freedom of Speech, no different to the filthy rich who you don’t expect to enquire if there is a correlation between the insanely illogical and morally reprehensible Gross Domestic Product economic index and the destruction of the oxygen producing rain forests, replaced by cattle ranching to support human overpopulation.

    You expect there to be however at least one honest philosopher, but that too is not to be found.

    As you run the numbers you quickly realize it is impossible to calculate the chances of this beastly, increasingly savage human being completely unconscious.

    It amounts to the same chances of this universe emerging out of nothing which is what General Relativity-Quantum Gravity-Physics points to in every direct experiment, including the mind-boggling double slit experiment that shows our most sophisticated mechanical detectors are being observed and interfered with.

    It is a humbling experience to know that you are being watched 24/7 and your dreams no less important.

    Of course we have a choice always in doing the right thing and then waiting to see if the first reward is being blessed not only with great health and vitality but with the most unimaginably beautiful mind-body lifetime lover.

    Nor do vegans have the high moral ground because how can you tell a meat and dairy farmer to give up their wealth without a clear and immediate alternative.

    When there is zero competetion for the minerals, there is no competition, period.

    Earlier I had to write to a misbehaving relative who thought he could pull the wool over my eyes.

    We should all make everything very public given that those pulling the strings of our puppet politicians know everything that is happening other than the “Hand of God” is not something to fool with.

    How would we know the genius of light-knowledge creation without the human ego being so dark, yet fragile when put to the test and it cannot reason.

    Lack of Knowledge-Information-Light-Energy, power to change the world stems from people being lazy and fearful of embracing the truth ~ Marie Dion Gevisser

    Let me know if you wish to be added to my email list and to join my fb group chat-symposium, Name Someone Stupid which given that I’ve reached the 250 limit requires removing one of the unconscious voyeurs.

    Of course you would have to take Mark Zuckerberg to be a fool if he wasnt following.

    1:05 PM Sunday 20 Nov.

    Dan Kelly

    Gary Gevisser Yes, it’s Facebook. I almost never delete others’ comments. It would take a lot for me to delete a comment.

1:23 PM Sunday 20 Nov.

 


Gary Gevisser
Now I see that the original “Not to fool with” which I posted at 12:07 PM Calif. time, has now reappeared.It is 1:11 PM.I will make a backup.

1:11 PM Sunday 20 Nov.

 

    • Gary Gevisser
      Dan Kelly, I’ve read your response above, both “… It would take a lot for me to delete a comment” as well as your earlier “… close their businesses” some 4 minutes ago.

      You completely ignore “Not to fool with”, not even saying, “I guess I better get caught up with the rest and start reading The Diamond Invention book.

      The human can only handle the truth in small doses; and that also applies to vegans.

      One can only imagine how insensitive vegans would be if they were eating meat.

      1:28 PM Calif. time Sunday 20 Nov.

 

1:35 PM 20 Nov. 22

 

Dan Kelly

Gary Gevisser Sorry, I have plenty to read already. I’m not taking homework assignments. I don’t need to know the details of the diamond industry to know that humans are horrifyingly immoral.

I’m fine with truth. I’d be happy to hear that a massive asteroid set to render Earth uninhabitable is due within a month, as long as it was true. I’d even be fine with a global nuclear war within a month due to the inconceivable reduction in pain and suffering afterward.262e.png

1:48 PM Sunday 20 Nov.

 

Gary Gevisser

Again Dan Kelly, the dissonance amongst those who consider themselves so enlightened and above it all, is not only vivid in your playing ostrich but it is a reminder that we are not alone.

Your call, looking forward, “fine with global nuclear war” is not only disturburbing but your avoidance of the truth, does not change the truth.

Rather extraordinarily weak in my opinion your, “I’d even be fine with a global nuclear war due to the inconceivable reduction in pain and suffering afterward262e.png“, our lack of consciousness across the board and willingness to show it, only points to man’s out of control ego.

Obviously it doesn’t bother you in the least when preaching, “They should find a morally acceptable way to make a living. Would you also say we don’t have the moral high ground to tell drug cartels to close their businesses?” that those pricing the minerals are not exactly “working for a living”.

How unconscienable to change the subject and ask such an infantile question, “Would you also say we don’t have the moral high ground to tell drug cartels to close their businesses?”.

That fact that no one else is currently choosing to hold you in check doesn’t speak well of them.

Eventually they will tire of the lies.

Of course your childish reaction is that you feel like a fool, and realize how difficult it is to go back and tell everyone you know that you have been miserably misguided and that your common sense didn’t kick in.

Again, my goal is to get everyone into one internet chat room or interconnecting chat rooms and/or most preferable have a household name owner of a social media platform like facebook and Twitter end this musical chair game.

How pathetic, how weak of mind to pontificate that you would be just fine with an asteroid ending your mental suffering.

What makes you think with all the order of the universe that for the wretched who pull out all stops to prevent the truth getting about how the resources of the world have been so poorly allocated there will be end of suffering when taking your life breath?

Stupid talk will end, and you know it, once we achieve critical mass, as unlikely as you think it will be.

You have to live with the anxiety that it will happen and hoping that everyone will turn a blind eye to the truth, at least before you become totally senile or die.

I know that you feel stupid, and so would any reasonable person.

2:11 PM Sunday 20 Nov. 22

Dan Kelly
Gary Gevisser You obviously don’t follow my posts on my timeline, or you would have much better backgroun and understanding about why I wrote what I have written here.

My psychological health is excellent. My desire is to reduce the pain and suffering of trillions of other sentient beings. That’s my motive for veganism, antinatalism and being pro-extinction (preferably via low birth rates, not violence).

I deleted your last comment because it was pure nonsensical trolling.

Get well soon.

 

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Dan Kelly

Sun 20 Nov. 3:12 PM

You sent

So you have made your bad karma and our 20 mutual fb friends will not be the only ones dialed in

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3:14 PM

You sent

Mr censor

Bear in mind, the backup

https://www.2facetruth.com/foolwith/

will also be seen by our creator and Mark Zuckerberg.

 

Sun 20 Nov. 3:36 PM

Dan

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 Oh no!  Please don’t ruin my reputation.  

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