Froman – “Its a numbers game”
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Maria Nickole
Corruption knows no bounds, it seems. Praying for Venus project to take a hold on society; to awaken the minds of those still asleep.
[June 18]
[Screenshot: 19 June, 10:00 AM]
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Reply2d [18 June]
Dave Froman
Maria Nickole Its a numbers game. The more invalid the environment becomes, the more people are willing to entertain the thought of a new system.
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- Maria Nickole
The only part of the concept I disagree with is the “God” part. It seems the God component is not recognized. I am not a fan of organized religion or cults, but I believe there is a need to recognize and have a personal relationship with the creator. We didn’t just get here by accident. There are no coincidences. Our creator set up the universe and its guidelines for behavior that include integrity, respect, and love to walk in the light. Without a relationship with our creator, nothing works. This “godless” society and its focus on hate, sexual perversion, and greed will crumble because of its own dark, evil destructiveness. We must recognize that there are good and evil forces at war. To be successful, the Venus project needs to recognize “God” as a necessary component. To rid ourselves from evil we must rebuke it and society must be encouraged to behave accordingly…with positive values, love, and integrity. Only then will we be able to fully walk in the light. The evil is what is destroying the world. Since the environment shapes people, the environment needs to make a paradigm shift towards good to walk in light. Only then will the rewards be realized.Screenshot: 10:01 AM 19 June
- Maria Nickole
Reply2d [18 June] Edited
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Dave Froman
Maria Nickole Everything that religion tries to instill as morals into our society? Are what science shows is our true human nature.
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Gary Gevisser
Dave Froman, yesterday I asked you on fb messaging after introducing myself and then I repeated just earlier, the idea is that we are all interconnected and therefore dependent on each other to tell the truth of who we really are.Do you agree with that statement?Also, you say, I believe, that you studied at the Venus Project; did they teach you how the money is priced, or did you already know the answer to that important question?
BTW, the pricing of the money is not taught at university in the study of economics.
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Maria Nickole
Dave Froman: spirituality, not religion, set the guidelines for a peaceful utopia…as opposed to a society of greed and savagery. You need to get in touch with your higher self or higher frequency. Once there, it’s clear what is good and right vs evil and wrong.
Reply1d [June 18]Edited
Dave Froman
Gary Gevisser pricing of money? LOL The price of money is freedom.
Reply1d [18 June]
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Reply1d [18 June]
Gary Gevisser
Dave Froman I think you intentionally avoided the question. “The price of money …” does not answer the question, how is the money priced?If you don’t have formal study of economics, which is different to being self-taught, you should try not to be a smartass and avoid as you did.My suggestion is that you first try to locate someone who has been formally schooled at a reputable university to assist you.
The fact that you may not find anyone to assist you is because it is a very troubling matter.
Still you should try and if they start speaking be sure to let them know that you will be expecting them to put their name to what they say.
The fact that I know personally some of the very top rated economists in the world who cannot answer that question truthfully should caution you to be respectful and not hurried.
Reply1d [18 June]
Dave Froman
Gary Gevisser Let me get clear with you sir. I do not believe Money should exist at all. And no amount of voodoo economic reasoning is going to change that opinion because It is based in scientific observation of human behavior.
Reply1d [18 June]Gary Gevisser
Dave Froman Dave Froman, I understand why you didn’t take my advice not to be hurried.It is telling.My question, “how is the money priced” strikes a raw nerve with most all people who are about the money and that includes those who say that they are not about the money.
Logic says that before you can criticize the current monetary system you first need to know how they money is priced.
Your ego is too big because you have little knowledge.
I have a book coming out, and your name will be added to it.
Reply1d [18 June]
Dave Froman
Gary Gevisser Little knowledge? In economics maybe. But I have Anthropology, Sociology and Psychology on my side.
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Gary Gevisser
Dave Froman but we are talking economics-money.
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Dave Froman
The only thing money does is corrupt the human spirit. Compassion and generosity are out true natures, but this system drives it out of humanity. The social issues, the inequality, The homeless and destitute. They don’t NEED to exist. They only do because people like you treat them as person failures. You have this belief in imagined self importance. And no idea that without your community you would be nothing but a naked ape trying to figure out what was edible in your environment.
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Gary Gevisser
You are avoiding. That is dishonest.The question is not about what money does or does not do, the question is a very simple one, do you know how the money is priced?Before you should open your mouth talking about money you should have mastered how the money is priced; again that is logic.
You understand my common sense thinking which is why you avoid saying that you know all about anthropology, psychology blah blah.
Reply1d [18 June]Gary Gevisser
Bear in mind the top brass at the Venus Project know that I am addressing their Achilles Heel.
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Dave Froman
The human species IS a behavioral byproduct of environmental influences. And if you have a society that is as self absorbed as the West is today? The social decline we see is a direct response to that environment.
Reply1d [18 June]Gary Gevisser
Lets add some names to this discussion:Noam Chomsky
Multi-billionaire Solly Krok
Israel Air Force Pilot, Lt. Colonel, Tomer Tene
Hollywood actress, model, Keisha Whitaker
Dan Tollman
Ellen Ericksen
Elon Musk’s father, Errol Graham Musk
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Gary Gevisser
Roxanne Meadows co-founder of Venus Project
Nancy Spielberg
Steven Kofsky Hollywood music composer
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Dave Froman
Your entire system is based upon antiquated ideas about human behavior and the misguided belief that man would never possess the technology to overcome physical scarcity in our environment. But today all it is doing is maintaining artificial scarcity for profits. Its not a lack of science, technology, manpower or resources that is stopping us from solving MOST of the problems. The issue is that if you actually Fed clothed housed and cared for the human populations with the means of science and technology, there would be no way to profit from those problems.
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Dave Froman
More than 60% of the jobs today do not even need to exist. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ulo2T9E0KE
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Gary Gevisser
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Reply1d [18 June]
Gary Gevisser
Dave Froman you must see that you are creating a massive Black Hole that is going to suck in all the rest choosing denial.Avoidance runs counter to the human condition, all driven by the identical atoms, in a search for truth.
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Gary Gevisser
You must see that you are helping drive a new educational curriculum where the ignorant adults will be quiet while the children will learn in peace and quiet.So you do have a calling.
Each ant, and that includes the ones underground, also have a calling.
They are great teachers.
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Gary Gevisser
It is now 11:11 PM on the west coast of the United States.Im going to sleep.
Please join me in making your own backup of this page.
Reply1d [18 June]
Dave Froman
The 1st industrial system created capitalism. Its the sixth time in our evolution that technology convergences FORCED humanity into a new social economic system, Anthropologically speaking that is. They all grow and excel, and then wither and die and they reach the limits of growth, and disappear into antiquity until a new convergence allowed them to surpass their limitations. EVERY system has a technological best before date in Anthropology. Your system is not going to survive the transition into the digital autonomous era. Its already failing today.
Reply1d [18 June]
Dave Froman
:Labor of all sorts is now adverse to productivity and efficiency. And Capitalism has been making up BS jobs just to make it look like everyone is busy. Its worse than the damn soviet union at this point.
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Errol Graham Musk some 8 hours earlier ~ 2 AM Calif. time 19 June
Gary, You need to write a big hard-cover book on the history of the past 100 years and on how humans interacted in this period and still do!
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Dave Froman stops communicating with me on his fb wall, and jumps to fb messaging and then removes the entire dialogue on his fb wall, which I had previously backed up.
CLICK HERE for the entire dialogue with Dave Froman on FB messaging.
Below is the tail end, picking up when he moved from his fb wall to fb messaging:
Jun 19, 2022, 10:41 AM
Dave
We are all interconnected yes. And not telling the truth is a matter of our social order and the consequences of such actions. For instance If you study the Iroquois cultures nobody lied because there were no consequences for their actions. They did not fear repercussions from their actions.
Jun 19, 2022, 11:40 AM
Dave
The problem with economic theory is the basis on which it operates. The basis of scarcity. And science proves that the only things that are scarce on this planet today have absolutely NOTHING to do with our technological ability to care for humanity in a caring passionate matter, while still providing a motivational structure that will keep humanity excelling forward with our scientific knowledge, instead of being trapped in a 300 year old fantasy.
11:44 AM
Dave
The basis of human behavioral patterns that the economic model is based upon. is scientifically invalid. And the invalid environment that it creates is responsible for jealousy, greed, and almost all of the anti-social behaviors in the history of this model.
11:48 AM
Dave
There are 8 different branches of science that prove this model is invalid. But you voodoo economists refuse to acknowledge that science because “Hey its work this far for the rich right? I mean its going to trickle down right??” BS
BAD SCIENCE
11:50 AM
Dave
As an associate once stated, “If I were not studying psychopaths in the state penitentiary? I’d be studying them on Wall st.”
Jun 19, 2022, 12:18 PM
Dave
12:32 PM
Dave
Seriously I was tired and in a bad mood last night but If you want to have discussion today? Lets talk about your myths and invalid belief structures.
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Jun 19, 2022, 1:43 PM
Dave
1:54 PM
Dave
Do you realize it would add 5 grams of weight to give you a phone that will last 12-15 years? But instead they give you a phone that is lucky to last 2 years. Capitalism is the conscious withdrawing of efficiency. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4mkRFCtl2MI
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Today, Tuesday, 28 June 2022 at 3:34 PM
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That was quite a lot of jumping around before it looks like you decided to censor my writings on your wall.
But you kept this channel of communication open thinking what exactly?
You want the last word, and you will get it.
First though you should know that I have what you censored backed up.
Go and check your own backup.
You will have seen what I wrote earlier on your fb wall”:
Dave Froman, did you remove our conversations on your fb wall which began with you talking “Solar”?
If so, one can logically conclude that you are most embarrassed and thinking your censorship would wipe the slate keen.
On the contrary, it is going to get more attention than from our mutual 68 mutual fb friends.
Moreover, you would expect, since you know Elon Musk’s father Errol Graham Musk is following along most closely, and you can’t fault his praise of me, “Gary, You need to write a big hard-cover book on the history of the past 100 years and on how humans interacted in this period and still do!” and which Errol posted up on your wall that probably had you going ape shit. then you would expect at least the same recognition from his son Elon as well as Mark Zuckerberg who I can assure you is following along, and learning a great deal from the behavior of people like yourself:
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3:35 PM
You sent
Censorship is bad.
It is mostly used to intimidate those exposing the truth to the light.
3:36 PM
You sent
Your false assertions that somehow this money system is “mine” is lying.
You knew that when you began this ugly path.
3:37 PM
You sent
It is defamatory in my opinion what you did when making such vile assertions.
We should let the public decide, don’t you think?
3:47 PM
Dave
Every system has suffered a technological best before date. Times up. The 1st industrial revolution created this reality. Its already falling to pieces now. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r71yNnfY6ss
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3:48 PM
You sent
You sound like a coward, ducking.
4:01 PM
Dave
Oh no sir. You. You see, I have been tracking technological unemployment for 15 years. 12 years ago I met Tony Seba at a conference I attended by chance. I have been using the model and have found it to be consistently conservative estimate for how fast the conversion of limited AI and autonomy is creating in our society. This model is not going to function in the very near future. And others agree with my assessment as well.
4:03 PM
Dave
You claim to be a man of science. Watch the last video. Its not even from our organization
4:04 PM
You sent
Are you waiting for me to begin inviting our mutual friends to join us even if you decide to run, which you are accustomed to when realizing that you have painted yourself into a corner, or will you now start to think twice about ever distracting again in the future?
4:05 PM
You sent
Were you hoping that I didn’t make a backup?
4:06 PM
You sent
I see you are stumped.
4:08 PM
You sent
Did anyone, including Marie Nickole say anything to you about behaving the same way as the Apartheid Regime of South Africa?
4:09 PM
You sent
You were on a mission weren’t you to destroy my reputation while preventing the spread of my knowledge?
4:10 PM
You sent
Do you recall Maria writing on 18 June at the very start, “Corruption knows no bounds, it seems”?
4:11 PM
You sent
Do you recall responding, “Maria Nickole Its a numbers game…”?
And Marie’s reply to that, “The only part …”
4:14 PM
Dave
Well it obvious that you two are a couple who is fishing to discredit our organization now because she told me she did not know you and that conversation was a private msg.
[Dave Froman then hit the block and unfriended me on fb]
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