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This group of my 126 mutual friends with Marialusia Marino is for the purpose of figuring out who is a “taker”, someone who takes without giving any good in return.

My expertise is in the minerals-banking business which dates back to when my immediate family who had the most successful multinational trading conglomerate in South Africa which had the backing of the vast majority non-white population and the rest, while extraordinarily few, were all bought just like most all rich white South Africans were forced to take on as their partner, racist, anti-Semite, German-American Charles W. Engelhard Jr. [1917-1971] as their partner; and following his death on 2 March 1971, having turned just 54 the month before, his mining interests around the world were then transfered to his German-South African partner Harry Oppenheimer [1908-2000] who directly supervised beginning in early spring 1978 my year long orientation into banking-mining cartel De Beers-Anglo American Corporation who have never conformed to the world’s anti-Trust/anti-Monopolies laws because through bribes and threats they have owned all the politicians.

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The following who left the group are clearly not interested in learning more about “takers” and how the wealth of the world is poorly distributed while the planet is destroyed:

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That would mean that at least 3% of the population, assuming this is a statistically valid sampling, could care less.

What if it turns out that 97% could care less, then wouldn’t it all make perfect sense?

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@Bianca Allen Goldberg, was the introduction, “… for the purpose of figuring out who is a ‘taker’, someone who takes without giving any good in return” not clear enough?

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Replying to @PPathole and @elonmusk

Title: AI (Automaton Inhuman)

Why, when robots and AI do most of what we do better?

Saving the planet would be a priority versus the GDP.

There’s enough automaton humans contributing nothing.

Who’s saving the children in Ukraine?

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According FB I have 12 mutual friends with former member Schalk Burger who remains a fb friend but has blocked me from adding him to “Getting to know your friends”.

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Burger had quite a bit to say on my other fb symposium, Figuring out the legitimacy of Alyson Kosik who says she is the Chief Economist at the NYSE [New York Stock Exchange], including the following:

Global warming is probably a hoax.  If it isn’t economics will eventually kick in. The biggest problem is the socialist nations, not the capitalist nations.

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Below is a backup of “Figuring out …” from yesterday, 1:32 PM Calif. time:

https://www.2facetruth.com/figuring-out-the-legitimacy/

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Burger left “Figuring out …” right after I posted at 6:36 PM this past Thursday, this photo below of me and my wife Marie Dion on Neil Gould and his Russian partner Alex’s yacht in Hong Kong Bay back in early July 2006:

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Yesterday, Friday at 12:05 PM Calif. time after he had many hours to think about all that he had to say on “Figuring out …” and what he didn’t say, Burger sent me the following message on FB messaging:

So what are you up to?

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Those 6 words might not move Israel Prime Minister Bennett to act appropriately in saving the people of Ukraine who have already been butchered and continue to be butchered.

There is a lack of consciousness across the board, and it only takes one rational person such as Zelenskyy to approach publicly Nicholas Oppenheimer.

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For those of you who have never heard of Nicholas Oppenheimer, his father Harry and grandfather Sir Ernest Oppenheimer and you also happen to know South Africans, simply ask them all that they know about the SA Oppenheimers, and in doing so it is that much easier to get the world’s literate population into one room on the Internet of course, and end all the warring which again a great many people would prefer not.

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When someone as far down the totem pole as Schalk feels the need to minimize my contribution, it does not mean Nicholas Oppenheimer has stopped paying attention.

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I will be placing up on The Internet in due course my entire fb messaging with Schalk Burger and you can see for yourself the game he is playing.

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Correction: It was 12:05 AM Calif. time yesterday that Burger wrote “So what you up to?”, not 12:05 PM

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Is anyone doing anything interesting this weekend that they would like share?

@Steven Bailey, can you explain why it is that you and everyone else would prefer not to see me debate Nicholas Oppenheimer as much as you would have great difficulty pulling away?

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@Steven Bailey, don’t you find it quite odd that everyone would prefer that others don’t know about the power of the SA Oppenheimer clan and how they go about arranging the wars along with the distribution of the wealth, all the while the planet suffers?

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@Steven Bailey, can you explain how you live with yourself or are you too livid with yourself to explain yourself eloquently?

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@Steven Bailey, let us try it another way.

Assume correctly that Elon Musk’s very brilliant engineer father @Errol Graham Musk is not only genuine in his praise of my writings which come with great deal of knowledge that is not impaired by me hanging around stupid people, but understands perfectly what I am saying, do you think what I write is over the head of Elon Musk or do you think it is of no importance to him because he sees how quiet is everyone?

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Martin have you read Professor Edward Jay Epstein’s epic 1978 nonfiction book, The Diamond Invention that is still free on The Internet?

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Isn’t it strange that we have so many people “sticking” but yet they don’t add others to this group?

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@Saville Katz, you speak a lot on facebook and you also told me that you got out of the diamond business in the early 80s when Russians started arriving in the United States and killing off their diamond competitors.

Can you explain more?

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Who would like to see Elon Musk do more to help Jewish Mr. Zelenskyy?

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@Lee-Anne Dalley, you like to visit often with palm readers. What are they telling you about what you should do to help Mr. Zelenskyy in order to improve your destiny on the next go-around?

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Surely both religious people as well as those who visit with psychics must believe in the afterlife and that there was be a relationship with this existence?

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@Anthony George Williams let us know when you are ready to speak your mind.

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Edit: … that is not impaired by me hanging around smart people …

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Edit: … and that there is a relationship with this existence?

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Note the “heart” and “thumbs up” emojii from @Anthony George Williams

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I am Gary Gevisser.  I demand conversation from people  who don’t want conversation.  I am creepy.

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Note not only that this Rian Geldenhys changed the name of this symposium-group chat and wrote his ugly that you can all see, but the rest of you are very quiet.

Where do you think we should begin?

How about going back to the schooling at our Jewish day school in Durban, South Africa, Carmel College?

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Current membership at 12:43 PM Calif. time, Tuesday 26 April 2022

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It will get nasty.

It is so easy to discredit someone.

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Focus on the reality that coincidences at a bare minimum keep us in the present when we have to focus on our consciousness and if there is a Higher Power, call it God for short, then you would only want to do good in order to avert negative consequences.

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When you have someone as credible as me explaining how the money is manipulated by the biggest and then dished out to the least deserving with few exceptions that you would expect a Higher Power, you can see I prefer that longer word to “God” but the word God reminds me of our doggy Mango and that is only all good, and everyone is quiet which you would expect only from very bad people, it does not make me less credible.

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I’m not responsible for the world all messed up.

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I’m teaching that the world would be much better off if people take personal responsibility for all their actions including eating and drinking smart as well as avoiding Energy Vampires.

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I also know as well as each of you that none of you are really mad with me, because that wouldn’t make logical sense.

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If it doesn’t make sense it is not logical.

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It is logic that allows us to figure out who makes sense and who doesn’t.

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I can’t figure out how anything including logic exists without God.

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Why aren’t we all choosing good when it makes sense in every respect including those of you who don’t have it so good as those above who are simply playing the SA Oppenheimers’ game.

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You have a lot to lose if you lose this game of life and God exists.

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Let’s step back a few minutes.

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57 odd minutes ago according to Facebook which should never have changed its name as Meta is anything but friendly and moreover Mark Zuckerberg would have to be an idiot not to have heard of 2facetruth dot com or me given how quickly I was banned by small Facebook officials who were undisciplined and eventually, rather quickly in fact, would have run up the pole the efforts of my detractors to ban me, I posted the following on fb wall under the title, Go directly to the source:

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Anthony George Williams, to begin with, you chose, again voluntarily to “step in” when you wrote, what most sane people would agree, “Deep and interesting”, so why would you not remember?

Let’s go slow, in order not to lose anyone.

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I was recruited when finishing my university economic schooling by Harry Oppenheimer whose small South African family have controlled the mineral resources of the world since the turn of the last century while managing to avoid all the anti-Trust/”monopoliies” [sic] laws because they control their lawmakers and at the same time make it their business to infiltrate all grass roots organizations attempting to knock them off their “pedastal” [sic].

Again, smart people like Errol Graham Musk don’t applaud me because I am stupid or a conspiracy theorist which if I was a conspiracy theorist it would make me stupid.

During the year long introduction to the strategies and tactics that Harry Oppenheimer employed 24/7, I got to see every aspect of their worldwide empire and the reason Harry Oppenheimer wanted me to know all the most intimate details was also to ensure that I would never open my mouth in the future.

Moving forward.

The purpose of any currency is to execute a “means of exchange”.

Please don’t forget that I am very well schooled in the study of economics which I do not see in your resume and therefore I assume you gather your knowledge from listening to the TV news, radio, magazines, newspapers and listening to what others “requrgitate” [sic] from having tapped into the same sources.

In order for a “means of exchange” to have any value it has to be tied directly into “productivity”; in other words the production of “goods” and “services”.

In the event a “means of exchange” such as Crypto Currencies is not directly linked to “productivity” it is a scam of the highest order.

Should I explain to you why it is that the Oppenheimer family and their Central Banks which includes the Russian Central Bank have not shut down Crypto Currencies?

The time is now 2:13 PM California time.

To put things in perspective.

44 years, 1 month and 9 days have elapsed since I immigrated to the United States from mineral rich South Africa on 17 March 1978, one week shy of my 21st birthday and knowing when I disembarked at Chicago’s O’Hare International Airport that I would soon begin the interviewing process to join the world’s most secret society, and not in the least surprised that Harry Oppenheimer himself would directly supervise the entire process which included keeping very close tabs on everything I was doing when not directly involved in assisting Harry Oppenheimer figure out his next moves.

Mr. Williams you now have the floor; moreover, there is nothing preventing you from asking others to join us here.

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It is now 3:24 PM.

Let’s look at what Mr Williams had previously sent me:

Gary Gevisser I will make an effort to look into the links.

My answer was a rushed one. 

I’m not familiar with you site at all, by my recollection, I’m not sure why I’ve been added to this group chat??

In short in regards to cryptocurrency pros and cons, there a lot scams and it’s not perfect which a con, but in terms of creating a decentralized financial system or an alternative to the current corrupt one, blockchain technology offers a transparency and immutable ledger to help ensure corruption and govermental/ institutional back door deals can be limited, this is a good thing. It also presents the opportunity for peer to peer transfers and more Decentralized systems to evolve, however the transparency auditability does pose additional problems as we see now, the regulation and outright banning of crypto by government institutions in a further attempt by centralized authorities to maintain control over this new financial system, that was at it’s core implemented to decouple from the corruption financial system. Authorities after years of proclaiming it wouldn’t work andcadding the most negative attributes to it’s functions, which btw have been done using fiat currencies for generations, they have developed the same systems to maintain a stronger strangle hold on finance, this is another bad implication for cryptocurrencies, as the use of Central Bank Digital Currencies will effect enable total control over global finances, some say hasten the agenda toward a global social credit system, this is very true in my humble opinion, ” but” only if we allow it. Only if we use these systems of finance. The only reason the current fiat currencies have value is because they are utilized on a daily basis by the masses, however if we all decide enough is enough and use this technology for intended purpose, Decentralize en masse, build new partnerships globally, these systems can be come a transfer of value in a global shared resource based economy, a system of barter as the word currency does stink to much like the current system. So provided peoples everywhere can adopt this tech in whatever crude initial form now the benefits with innovation focus on humanity and not profit could change the world. Although it is in the infant stages going in the same destructive direction there are people working towards decentralization from these corrupted centralized ones, not perfect but a step in the right direction.

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It is now 3:26 PM Calif. time.

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That Rian character was despicable and no one spoke out.

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You are here because you want to see how each of you react to the follow up of me just explaining how totally idiotic, infantile, representative of a deformed mind, void altogether of logic are Crypto Currencies which are direct attack on corporation auditors such as EY collecting $40 a year in bribe monies.

Each of you also know why you are mad at yourself and not me.

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We shouldn’t be looking at how much @Errol Graham Musk ‘s son paid for Twitter to use as a platform to market his ingenuous product which is factory building and Elon might want to give his father some credit in that area, but the fact that Elon has an advertising platform for doing good.

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None you need to tell me all the sticks that have been placed in Elon’s wheels ever since he thought of the crazy idea of taking on Big Oil Monopoly (BOM) Banker Oppenheimers-Deutsche Bank.

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Bear in mind the only thing I have learned from all of you is how not to behave.

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It is illogical for all of you to remain joined at the hip forever.

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Unless there is God directing this grand scale unconsciousness.

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No one is on the same team to do wrong unless they are being equally compensated.

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Imagine yourselves bank robbers and you agreeing ahead of time that those first in the door of the bank should get the lion’s share.

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Don’t spend too much time on that thought experiment.

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My point is simple.

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Whatever you agreed to made sense for all of you otherwise you wouldn’t have participated in the heist.

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Now that is only hypothetical.

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It is to explain agreements between conscious people.

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The people at the top pulling the strings besides for laughing at you are convinced you are all going to agree to stick together to the bitter end.

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Not being able to predict the future is unnerving when you are doing wrong to the poor and the planet.

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So what that no one cares about the planet.

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You care about money because that is what brings you here.

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How can I be all bad when you are coining here to get good knowledge that explains perfectly the corruption that you say you want to get rid of?

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How cruel can a specie possibly get?

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Christianity I believe, and please someone correct me if I am wrong is that corrupt people see religion as a crutch, that Jesus died for their sins.

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Again maybe I’ve misinterpreted.

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But if someone died for your sins then you might not ever stop sinning?

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What is important to me is to get out in the public arena that you have to trust the person in control of the money who is now Elon Musk more than the SA Oppenheimers and their shills, which I most certainly do.

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So there is no misunderstanding; I absolutely trust Elon Musk more than the people who back all sides to war and have the people fighting for the money they dish out at each others’ throats.

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Look at how this most ridiculous, embarrassing cat fight between two Hollywood actors has the world’s attention.

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Can you think of anyone being more two-faced than Amber Heard?

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If you like her then you might call the other actor even worse names than two-faced?

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So how does Elon Musk get all caught up right after the very short marriage in this love-triangle, or are their other parties involved, knowing Musk’s weakness for pretty girls?

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I also like beautiful women.

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There is nothing wrong with that, assuming they are for real.

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So when you get involved with an actor/actress you must try not to forget their profession.

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Just words of caution, that’s all.

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Remember none of you qualified to learn the most intimate secrets of the SA Oppenheimers who pretty much only had us Jewish people to fear and it made sense to have corrupt Jewish people intimately involved in every last detail of what was happening at our Durban Jewish Day School, Carmel College as well as of course all the other Jewish schools in South Africa.

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In other words it was not high up on the Oppenheimers’ list to corrupt bright people like @Errol Graham Musk and his son eldest.

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With few exceptions not one Jewish  or person has behaved better towards us Jewish people as the Musk father and son.

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In all my conversations with @Errol Graham Musk he comes across as the furthest removed from anti-Semitic.

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Elon has gone quantum leaps above the shoulders of all Jewish people in praise of us Jewish people when boldly, loudly proclaiming on 21 December last year, “Like Einstein, my God is the God of Spinoza.”

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Elon Musk has the intelligence to know that he was making few friends in the world.

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Spinoza has no friends amongst illogical people.

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Added @Alexis Hearst  who I believe is the granddaughter of my client, Chairman of the Board, Hearst Corporation, Randolph Apperson Hearst (1915-2000).

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Edit: … manipulated by the biggest thieves …

Edit: … you would expect from a Higher Power …

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Edit: … EY collecting $40 billion a year in bribe monies.

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Edit: With few exceptions, not one Jewish person or non-Jewish person has behaved better towards us Jewish people as the Musk father and son.

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Edit: How can I be all bad when you are “coining” (sic) here to get good knowledge that explains perfectly the corruption that you say you want to get rid of?

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Added @Alan Mark Zeligson who Ive been conversing with since 1:11 PM Calif time and it is now 5:31PM.

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Just this instant Anthony George Williams, quite the Cryptos talker, left.

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A minute ago I followed up on “Go directly to the source” on my fb wall:

It is now 5:35 PM.

Just a minute ago Anthony George Williams left my Facebook group chat-symposium, Getting to know your friends, where this Cryptos business has taken center stage.

Nor has he responded to my reply earlier, ending, “Mr. Williams you now have the floor; moreover, there is nothing preventing you from asking others to join us here.”

There are other significant ugliness to Cryptos which I will be covering in due course.

Let’s give Mr Williams some more time.

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The last I heard from @Alan Mark Zeligson who I don’t get along with at all, was at 4:40  PM when he wrote the following 5 odd words:

Qualifications 

His family supported Verwoerd

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My question to @Alan Mark Zeligson at 4:14 PM reads:

Do you think Your warden Aubrey Levin was chosen because he was Jewish and/or his qualifications?

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For those of you unfamiliar with Jewish South African sexual deviant Aubrey Levin MD, the psychiatrist in charge of South African torture military prison Greefswald-Ward 22, much along the line of Dr Mengele at Auschwitz, Wikipedia is a start:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aubrey_Levin

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My response to @Alan Mark Zeligson began at 4:59 PM.

Below is the first section:

You don’t think they would follow in the footsteps of the Gestapo’s Zagiew Jewish Collaboration network, who were more vicious than the worst of the Jewish Kapos in the death factories?

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Yesterday at 11:27 PM

Tue 11:27 PM

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Original message:

The last I heard from @Alan Mark Zeligson who I don’t get along with at …

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So did my family at the time

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Garry u still don’t stop. Renee Garry is in love with doc shock. He has a big poster above his bed of bubbles like u had of donny osmond.

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Aubrey Levine was gay. He also hated gays.

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But Garry is in love with Aubrey . Garry my friend, just go up to Canada and tell him . He might just be happy

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U marry Aubrey and ur ex wife can marry mango under the same chupah

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@Renee Maletsky, it is not clear to me what you mean when writing, “So did my family at the time”. 

Can you explain more clearly?

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I don’t speak cryptically, but that seems to be the norm with pretty much everyone who has no content, and their lack of accomplishment has them feeling the need to stand out more either in their dress, heavy arm bracelets and necklaces to hide their fat before buying off the Walmart clothing rack one size fits all with huge cutouts exposing so disgustingly their fat that they want everyone to believe they are proud of and you know all the jokes they make as they continue stuffing themselves into morbid obesity and the only time they get touched is when they visit the doctor’s office and an increasingly permanent resident in hospital, or tatoos, or weird color hairdos and yes you would have thought that long by now ring noses would have gone the way of the animal circuses.

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So @Renee Maletsky please dont wait too long before telling us exactly what is your experience with this clown @Alan Mark Zeligson who once told after I caught him playing it fast and loose that he suffers from a mode of autism which Im no expert on but I was under the assumption that autistic people are less prone to lie.

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@Alan Mark Zeligson feel free to jump in again at any time but when you get too boring I will remove you and you can go back to your hell hole.

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Bear in mind that very shortly I will “replay” my conversation with Zeligson for this audience and it will be crystal clear why he decided to act out here beginning at 2:18 AM Calif. time, and ending, “… mango under the same chupah.”

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It so happens that 11 odd minutes later, 2:29 AM, I received a most articulate, incredibly revealing message from Elon Musk’s father, member @Errol Graham Musk who was responding to my message from Monday at 9:59 PM, which reads, “Do you have any thoughts on Elon buying Twitter?”

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I will keep you all in suspense to hear Errol Musk’s 62 word response, but be assured his eldest son Elon will not take his father’s words with a “pinch of salt.”

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My focus right now is a video conferance I have scheduled with a 39 year old computer-software specialist coming up at 10AM which is 10 minutes from now.

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With my thoughts clear on what I plan to accomplish in that meeting let me share with you my last discourse with Zeligson:

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You don’t think they would follow in the footsteps of the Gestapo’s Zagiew Jewish Collaboration network, who were more vicious than the worst of the Jewish Kapos in the death factories?

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You are quiet

That means you are conscious of your ugly acting

Why do you think people who have been abused enjoy the most harassing good people.

What good have you done with your life?

What is it about yourself that you like?

Do you like feeling sick because you eat like a pig?

Do you ever feel punished by God for your bad actions?

Or do you think it is just by chance that there is a reaction to every action?

Why would you choose to do wrong when you know it is not right?

Is there something wrong with you mentally that your preference is to do wrong to a good person who educated you than to do what you know is the right thing?

Have you considered why most of the world is just like you?

Are you seeing the changes taking place at 2facetruth dot com or are you more interested in Elon Musk’s next move following my writings just earlier to him and his father Errol who you know is one of my fb friends?

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42 is a good number

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https://twitter.com/GaryGevisser/status/1518747809134096385?s=20&t=cj-4wNbbPHCmQM1dEV0vOA

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I think most all of you, as well as the rest of the literate 8 billion humans would be most interested to see a podcast with me and member Errol Graham Musk.

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Let me put it in number terms.

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Let’s say the literate population, not those with an internet connection, is 7 billion.

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Let’s remove all the youngsters under the age of 15, some 2 billion.

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So 5 billion odd is our audience, which is more than the 3.5 billion fb subscribers.

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What would we be talking about that would interest everyone?

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Go ahead @Alan Mark Zeligson, say your piece even if the cat has bitten off your tongue.

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It is an important statistic the fact that Im not having currently a normal conversation with anyone online, other than member @Errol Graham Musk who for good reason has the most positive things to say about me, and he has already done so publicly, although what he wrote to me at 2:29 AM Calif. time this morning, exactly 12 and half hours ago, has a ring to it that will resonate as long as human consciousness.

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It is now 2:59 PM.

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Let’s ask a few members such as @Ivan Oshry, @Ivan Strous, The Coupon Clipper is Jack The Ripper @Jeffrey Essakow, my needy, treacherous middle brother, lackey of The Coupon Clipper, @Mel Gevisser, no less weak and treacherous brother in law @David Julian Danziger, @David Levy, @Clifford Benn, @Michael Sewitz, @David Schmahmann, @Micha-el Frame, @Trevor Goldberg, @Alan Woolf, @Alan Cline, @Alan Brivik, @Mark Gevisser, @Jonathan Gevisser, @Peter Gevisser, @Leo Gevisser, @Mervyn Brivik, @Sidney Lazarus, @Desmond Brivik, @Hilton Wolman, @Merrick Wolman, and @Warren Saks why @Errol Graham Musk‘s 2 sons, Elon and Kimbal Musk who are not Jewish, chose for moral reasons not to join the brutal militia of the South African Apartheid Regime aka The Third Reich’s Southern Division and moved to Canada where they started off from scratch, other than having their conscience intact and the good genes they were born with, whereas the overwhelming majority of South African Jewish boys of 18 and older chose to serve in this grotesque militia very remeniscent of Nazi Germany utlizing the weakest of us Jewish people to round up the rest of the Jewish people of Nazi occupied Europe before murdering them in mass graves or shipping them off to the death factories such as Auschwitz and Treblenka , when there was the easy option of moving to Israel without it costing them or their parents a penny; and when arriving being provided with all their basic needs, including money if they needed it?

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Question, is that previous question important right now?

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Where were the Jewish bankers when the SEC came down on Elon Musk like a ton of bricks, once Elon was set up by the House of Saud?

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Question, is that previous question important right now?

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Right now I have scripted the first few words of “Follow the money trail”, the button with the blue underline you find on the home page of my website 2facetruth dot com.

https://www.2facetruth.com

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It didn’t cost the South African Apartheid Regime who were heavily dependent upon our corrupt Jewish business leaders, rabbis, accountants, lawyers, judges and the such, a penny to print South African Rands or provide unlimited amounts of credit to their favorite customers.

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Who feels that they were short-changed by their university professors and media when filling their heads with garbage?

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Who feels that it is an important question to figure out the true cost of oil as well as bullets being fired by the dosed up with Vodka Russian soldiers into the heads of defenseless Ukrainian women, children and old men, after of course taking their turns with the women and children?

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How in the world did such human automatons get to be so polite when they want something out of the next person?

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@Wendy Berkowitz-Henriksen, you were the top student in our class at Jewish day school, Carmel College, Durban, why don’t you be the first to share your thoughts?

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Who thinks all the monies are as manipulated, including Crypto currencies, as the minerals that are controlled by the same anti-Semitic German-South African Oppenheimer family who couldn’t believe how easily the Jewish people of South Africa capitulated?

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Who here has ever been to a Jewish Passover-Seder meal when only Elijah the prophet speaks?

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Where did the joke, “You put 10 Jewish people in the same room, you have 11 arguments” originate?

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Cause and effect.

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In other words, we use logic to figure out what is happening unless you only operate on instinct which one observes in other animal species, at least to the best of our knowledge?

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You really have to be smart to visualize a joke.

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Why do you think professional comedians don’t point out their genius?

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Recapping:

You are here because you are all about the money and finding a mate.

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Who feels they have contributed to humanity by either spending money or telling jokes or producing children as worthless as their parents or a combination of the 3 choices?

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Who feels like they would like to open up the conversation to discussing money?

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Who feels that Jewish pedophile, sexual deviant, psychiatrist Dr. Aubrey Levin MD was chosen for the job of Commandant of torture military camp Greefswald-Ward 22 because he was Jewish?

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Ward 22 patient @Alan Mark Zeligson wants you to believe that it was Levin’s qualifications that got him the job.

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I don’t think Zeligson is a good judge of character.

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Who thinks Elon Musk would be turned off by this conversation because either no one else is speaking other than their silence or because he has close relatives also aware of the importance of how the money is valued and distributed to the least accomplished?

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Who thinks BOM [Big Oil Monopoly] are pleased that Elon Musk did more than save TESLA and now owns Twitter?

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Were Elon Musk to do good with Twitter such as use it as a platform to totally discredit all the crypto currencies, given how logic says that the central banks and the politicians would never have allowed it to get off the ground if they weren’t behind them, would it make any of you happy?

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@Michael Sewitz, you like to talk as much as you enjoy eating shit food, what legacy do you plan on leaving behind?

Do you concentrate more or less when reciting the Friday Night service?

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@Warren Saks, why are you delayed in leaving this symposium? Is it because I haven’t given you the opportunity to speak your mind?

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@Gary Cooper, how come you don’t have any gray hair? Is there a product you would like to promote?

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Who feels that they are not being given a chance to speak their minds?

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There is a reason why those of you who are unhappy are unhappy.

Knowing that you are doing wrong, is not a good feeling.

Retaliating against a good person, if it makes you happy, then that means you are very sick.

@Alan Mark Zeligson, @Alan Cline, do either of you feel that you are sick?

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Who has an opinion on why Elon Musk felt the need to purchase Twitter with money that didn’t cost him a penny?

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Who feels that they are finally getting to know their family, friends, and acquaintances?

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@Ayi Kwei Armah

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is 82, not 112, which is the age of Gordon Richdale were he alive.

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Most of the world, outside of those who have read my writings, would not have heard of Gordon Victor Richdale [1910-2002], the former chairman of an array of South African mining houses, business corporations and banks.

Mr. Armah, however, would have needed to have lost his mind to forget Mr. Richdale who started out as a Bank of England official causing trouble in Central America to accepting in 1952 an offer from Charlie W. Engelhard Jr. [1917-1971] to become president of all the companies in Engelhard’s empire, the largest precious metals processing group in the world.

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I realize that most all of you wish me dead, which is not a good thing for those of you who wish me dead, or that harm comes to me.

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Now I would like for each of you who are not sharing your wife, no strike that, your wealth equally amongst youselves, to take a moment to think about something that Im quite certain Mr. Armah thought a lot about when Mr. Richdale attempted to bribe him in order to speed up the enslavement of the world’s poor who simply didn’t have the gun which would have given them access to the minerals that dictate the value of the different currencies.

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If Goldman Sach’s and Morgan Stanley’s chairman of the board came to you sitting atop control of the world’s minerals along with the downline supply chain and offered you all the money in the world, would you take it?

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Of course you wouldn’t.

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You would immediately replace both chairmen on account that they were totally stupid.

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@Alan Cline, I remember you often seated in the economics lecture halls with your heavy text books open and listening as carefully as you could to evvery word uttered by the lecturers.

Do you remember if when you were listening, you were able to think?

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If the human gets spoon-fed enough times their brain muscle atrophies.

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I am not quite sure how best to revive a brain dead human because that is the work of miracles.

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What I do know is that if I were to ask any 15 year old who hadn’t been bullied what steps they would take if sitting atop the world’s minerals to distract from their theft, I bet that in less than 10 minutes they would figure out a myriad of solutions.

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I would like everyone in the class to have a shot at what it feels like to be an independent thinking 15 year old.

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Let’s reconvene the class tomorrow, unless anyone has questions, but I will only keep my laptop open for just a few more minutes during which time I will review my writings for spelling errors and comprehension and reminding you that Richdale’s 1962 autobiography, THE SUNLIT YEARS is a far better choice than the trash, Wealth of Nations by Adam Smith; not to forget @Errol Graham Musk‘s precision 62 words to me earlier.

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The time now is 4:37 PM Calif. time.

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Edit: … to “evvery” [sic] word uttered by the lecturers.

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Edit: Richdale was born in 1908, died age 94, not 92. He was born in the same year as Harry Oppenheimer.

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‘Apartheid was regrettable, but Africans were not ready for democracy’.

In this, third instalment of the serialisation of Ayi Kwei Armah’s memoir, The Eloquence of the Scribes, he tells of his university days in America and how, because of differences of opinion, he had to discontinue receiving largesse from a British multi-millionaire who had business interests in South Africa and who was funding his studies. The Briton thought apartheid was regrettable, but that the Africans in South Africa were not ready for democracy. “In his opinion, the best option would be to give the vote, in gradual stages, to a small number of Africans selected on the basis of education and responsible behaviour. I asked why Europeans were not subjected to the same standards, and was immediately aware that I had fouled a congenial atmosphere,” Ayi Kwei Armah recalls.

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‘Apartheid was regrettable, but Africans were not ready for democracy’.

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That is true, the masses in Africa not educated and can easily be manipulated by belief

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