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Gary Gevisser

October 28 at 7:37 PM 

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How come there are so many people with high IQ and they are still destroying the planet?
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    Shellie Evans

    Can you say GREEDY
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      Gary Gevisser

      Shellie Evans , more so not so bright. It is a curse not to be excited by the unknown.
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      Kobus PJ Van Staden

      The ones with the high IQ’s are not the rulers and policy makers. They have been speaking out and advising ever since. Unfortunately policy makers are not driven by enlightened knowledge, but by offers of enrichment alone, for being in power is always a very uncertain and short term endeavor in democracies.
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      Shellie Evans

      Gary Gevisser I will tell you a curse we’ve all been under. FEAR of dying. That is how they control the population with FEAR. We never really die, just change. We have the Spark of Life that never ever dies. Let go of the FEAR, and they lose all their Powers.
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      Gary Gevisser

      Kobus PJ Van Staden name me one who has spoken out against the GDP?
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      Kobus PJ Van Staden

      Gary Gevisser I do not understand how you relate GDP to destroying the planet, but as far as our weak GDP in SA goes;
      Economists do it all the time. A couple of years ago my daughter did her degree in education at the UFS when one of their assignments was to research why some countries give free education and others not. She compared South Africa with New Zealand (about half SA’s population) and Japan (about 10 times SA’s population). Those two countries compared neck to neck on GDP per capita despite the difference in population numbers. Everything boiled down to incompetent governance, criminal nature of SA’s ruling party and a poor education system as reasons for a weak GDP. And she scored above 90% for her work. Much of it was based on the concerns of economists as was published in the media. And that includes everything, from absurd labour policies to political instability and everything in between. So, yes, a lot has been spoken out. But like I said, that knowledge is not what government is driven by…!?
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      Gary Gevisser

      Kobus PJ Van Staden I read carefully everything you wrote.
      Let me first say that I am very well university schooled in the study of economics.
      Kobus, how did the GDP come about? Did it show care for the planet, in particular the green space which provides most of the oxygen and all of it when the sea dies?
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      Kobus PJ Van Staden

      Gary Gevisser ok, I get it. Yes, I agree, profit over planet is killing the earth! I was published a couple of times on the topic in newspapers and magazines. The solution is to transform to clean industry, but the biggest obstacle to it is the status quo with key politicians on their payroll.
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      Gary Gevisser

      Kobus PJ Van Staden what you had published, did it have to do with how the GDP came about?
      I feel you are jumping all over the place.
      What is your formal schooling?
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      Gary Gevisser

      Kobus PJ Van Staden, can you share your email so that I can send you a backup, just in case.
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      Kobus PJ Van Staden

      Gary Gevisser No, it had to do with environmental decline and global warming, of which GDP is a driving factor when based on industry thriving on dirty energy, causing polution, and on urban development without much regard for the natural habitat it destroys in the process. My formal education is in the field of physics, so I understand how life is supported by earth’s photosynthesis process and how the above negatively affects it.
      Tha’s why you perhaps feel as if I am jumping around, for my focus is not purely on GDP as the causing factor of us killing the planet, but on the relationship the GDP has with the actual variables responsible for it.
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      Gary Gevisser

      Kobus PJ Van Staden is there a reason why you don’t answer how you have all this knowledge about the GDP?
      The first place you look to when someone is all over the board on the subject of economics-politics Is their formal university schooling.
      So I will ask it a different way. Where did you learn what you know about economics?
      I also believe you purposely avoided answering my question from much earlier on about your knowledge of the origins of the GDP.
      Even if you are well university schooled where if you ate conscious you quickly wake up to the horrors of the Gross Domestic Product economic index, it doesn’t prevent you from going to the library or asking Google.
      What have you learned?
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      Kobus PJ Van Staden

      Gary Gevisser I did not gain my knowledge the same way every university student did. That is why my thought process doesn’t follow the same “groove”. I went into business for myself at a young age and started learning about economics from the physical and practical side of things, and also to determine what the greater picture looks like of which I form a small part. Thanks to my physics training, I am also good at analyzing and making sense of all the variables that make up a system. Our capitalist system could very well be described as a scientific model of input variables and transformed outcomes. And since economics is as much about numbers as science is, and since numbers do not lie like words do, meaning that it will always and eventually expose that which is wrong, it enables one to form solid and rigid perceptions of what should be, and what not.
      On your question about the origin of the GDP, no, I do not know, because I have not googled it..? However, I suppose the answer can be viewed from different perspectives, one that its origin is with the formation of our modern day economic model, or one that is as old as man himself if you consider trade a measure of a nation’s wealth, even if it wasn’t called a GDP back then..?
      Perhaps you would like to enlighten me in this regard?
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      Gary Gevisser

      Kobus PJ Van Staden what university did you get your degree in physics?
      You haven’t named so far one individual who you say has a high IQ and has been speaking out against the GDP. Why is that?
      You write that your focus is on the relationship the GDP has with the actual variables responsible for it.
      What variables are responsible for the GDP?
      Where do you get your knowledge about the Gross Domestic Product economic index?
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      Gary Gevisser

      Kobus PJ Van Staden it has been 19 odd minutes since you last wrote “… enlighten me in this regard” and 12 minutes since my response.
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      Gary Gevisser

      Kobus PJ Van Staden, you also haven’t shown your published articles which I assume have a strong connection to the GDP, why is that?
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      Gary Gevisser

      Kobus PJ Van Staden, do you recall writing, “On your question about the origin of the GDP, no, I do not know, because I have not googled it…” and previously writing, “… my focus is not purely on GDP as the causing factor of us killing the planet, but on the relationship the GDP has with the actual variables responsible for it”?
      There seems to be a conflict with what you are saying.
      That is why I persist in having you explain these “variables” without forgetting you wrote in the next breath, “… about the origin of the GDP, no, I do not know…”.
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      Gary Gevisser

      Kobus PJ Van Staden, it is now 9:54 AM, Sunday, October 31, 2021 on the west coast of the United States.
      Tomorrow will be the 49th anniversary of my first meeting with Mossad head, and first Prime Minister of Israel, David Ben Gurion who nearly 2 months later, as I was preparing to return to South Africa after a 3 month Ulpan-Gadna training, asked me for my assessment of what I had learned; and my answer, “Those who know, don’t talk; those who don’t, do all the talking; once you tell a secret, it is no longer a secret” had Ben Gurion chuckling followed by, “I may borrow your words in the future”.
      Those were our last spoken words.
      Kobus, your writings remind me a lot of my university economics professors who spoke a lot but said nothing that made any sense.
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      Kobus PJ Van Staden

      Gary Gevisser I have a life as well, so forgive me for not clinging to my electronics 24/7..!
      First, let me ask: What is your drift? Why is it so important to you that I name people with high IQ’s and exactly where I received my education? How is that relevant to the topic of discussion? Is the facts alone not sufficient?
      When I write about “variables”as input, I refer to all labour and materials that produce the money value (outputs) we call the GDP. And as for this discussion about killing our planet and how it is connected to the GDP, input variables include what our planet” pays” to generate its monetary value, like excavations in mining and deforestation to develop expanding urban suburbs and industry…
      Nevertheless, it looks like you are more interested in discussing me than the topic rather..?
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      Kobus PJ Van Staden

      Gary Gevisser if you know it all and lives by a code of not speaking, your posting here is a direct contradiction to your code!?
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      Gary Gevisser

      Kobus PJ Van Staden , you are once again mistaken and defensive.
      People who have little knowledge have big egos and more likely to lie.
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      May be an image of 1 person and text that says '1 Ego= Knowledge "More the Knowledge Lesser the Ego, Lesser the Knowledge More the Ego..." -Albert Einstein.'
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      Gary Gevisser

      Kobus PJ Van Staden, I was 15 years old at the time.
      There wasn’t the Internet back then or anything close unless you were a leader of a superpower and willing to use your nuclear weapons to maintain the status quo which of course that hasn’t changed.
      But we should not get ahead of ourselves even though going on 17 odd years ago, 11.11.2004 to be very precise I threw down the gauntlet for the originators of the insanely illogical, morally reprehensible GDP to come clean which followed my analysis of the arrogant human condition once discovering Professor Edward Jay Epstein’s epic 1978 non-fiction book The Diamond Invention which shuts everyone up; and it is free on The internet and you simply need to know how to use google to access.
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      Gary Gevisser

      Kobus PJ Van Staden, you have been caught in your gobbledygook, nonsense talk and you are angry, defensive, hostile going through the continuous stages of grief loop.
      You have yet to laugh it off with, lol, but you must be thinking of it.
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      Gary Gevisser

      Kobus PJ Van Staden, also remember, this is my topic.
      I began 2 days ago, “How come there are so many people with high IQ and they are still destroying the planet?”
      The character of a person is most important, and when they write trash, it is important to know what drives them.
      Knowing someone’s background is critical in that assessment.
      You may well be at the bottom of economic and intellectual pyramid, and yet given the power of the Internet you could very well influence the next generation to be even more stupid.
      Let me now make a backup of this entire dialogue and place it up on my 2facetruth dot com BLOG.
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      Kobus PJ Van Staden

      Gary Gevisser I have no need for being defensive. I just do not understand why you do not want to discuss the topic you started. And angry I am definitely not.
      As far as ego = 1/knowledge goes, it wasn’t me who boasted about my 46th aniversary with the prime minister and throwing down the gauntlet… I have been discussing the topic since the start. And now it is you who become offensive after I asked you why discuss me and not the topic..? I don’t know if you realize it makes you look like someone who made a statement on a platform where it is open for discussion, perhaps to make you look intelligent, but since you do not possess the intelect to debate the topic, you now play the man and not the ball..? And in that, I can quote Newton to you: We can calculate the orbits of heavenly bodies, but the stupidity of man even the gods struggle with!
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      Gary Gevisser

      Kobus PJ Van Staden, you can now view the screenshot I took at 10:40 AM Calif. time on my BLOG.
      Are you able to access it from this link below?
      Bear in mind, unlike you I do not hide my now 2,136 fb friends, 2 shy of its all time high of 2,138, and there have been about an equal amount of those who have unfriended me as well as those I have unfriended to mention little of what can be learned from those who don’t accept my fb friend invitation.
      So Kobus PJ Van Staden, are you afraid that the South African Oppenheimer family might already know everything there is to know about you?
      While waiting for your articles or to explain your laughable contradictions, have you heard of the SA Oppenheimers who have to deal with the fools who carry their genes but when it comes to hiring the best and brightest they are most particular about both their people as well as quantitative skills?
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      Gary Gevisser

      Kobus PJ Van Staden, since you say that you have been on topic from the start and that it is me who is straying, let’s recap:
      On October 28, Thursday, at 7:37 PM Calif. time I began, “How come there are so many people with high IQ and they are still destroying the planet?”
      The following day, at 2:43 PM, I see that you piped in for the first time, “The ones with the high IQ’s are not the rulers and policy makers. They have been speaking out and advising ever since…”
      Yesterday, Saturday at 1:46 PM I responded, “Kobus PJ Van Staden name me one who has spoken out against the GDP?”
      So Kobus PJ Van Staden we are talking about the Gross Domestic Product which has you providing two conflicting stories.
      Let me now make a backup, just in case.
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      Kobus PJ Van Staden

      Gary Gevisser I tried to leave a comment on your blog, but am not sure why it doesn’t show – perhaps you decide what you want posted..?
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      Gary Gevisser

      It is now 10:57 AM Calif. time and prior to posting on my BLOG, Kobus PJ Van Staden would like to know who else I know is watching and learning from your fast and loose play?
      Have you heard of South African multi-billionaire Solly Krok?
      You know that he didn’t hire you in August 1989 to do a review of his international holdings.
      There is also good reason why 16 years later, early 2005, Krok first said to me, after not hearing from me in a decade when I did in mid 1995, a second most important assignment, this time in South Africa, on his behalf, “Gevisser, I should have listened to you” and nor did I first begin, “Solly, this is Gary …” because I simply said before his very true words, “Solly hello.”
      Kobus PJ Van Staden, you would agree that your educational background and work experience go a long way in determining one’s credibility.
      You will eventually tire of your bullshit, but in the meantime, others not so full of themself will hopefully learn not to imitate your horsehit.
      Would you like to know more about another fb friend of mine, Israel Air Force Pilot, Lt. Colonel Tomer Tene who is Israel’s largest organic produce farmer?
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      Kobus PJ Van Staden

      Gary Gevisser as for conflicting stories, I have responded on the question you have posted, then YOU, in your reply to me, switched the topic to GDP. Go check your backup! And here we are, you are still to start discussing YOUR topic..?
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      Kobus PJ Van Staden

      Gary Gevisser gee whiz, now you are really going at Ego = 1/knowledge.
      I do not care about my background, neither about yours! I only care about the topic of discussion, which you are not doing..?
      After all, I guess intellect will reveal itself once you start participating, don’t you think?
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      Gary Gevisser

      Kobus PJ Van Staden, I have censored nothing.
      No less important are the following:
      First, you know you have got caught in your lies when writing two contradictory statements about the GDP.
      All humans who speak and write English know what the word “orgin” means.
      Your initial writings are impossible to decipher.
      You recall writing, “my focus is not purely on GDP as the causing factor of us killing the planet, but on the relationship the GDP has with the actual variables responsible for it”, making out like you know everything there is to know about the GDP.
      Those “actual variables” caught my attention in part because you didn’t spell out what those important variables are and second, who was responsible for them?
      Then you write as I explore more your bullshit, “On your question about the origin of the GDP, no, I do not know, because I have not googled it…”
      Were you in a university lecture hall, you know that you would be the laughing stock even if everyone else was dumb, but not as dumb as you.
      How are you doing in your research of Harry Oppenheimer, his father Sir Ernest Oppenheimer and Harry’s only son, Nick?
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      Gary Gevisser

      BTW, Kobus PJ Van Staden, I know that you have other things to do like breath, but try to keep track of the time, 11:28 AM Calif. time and when you feel you have to get off The Internet altogether.
      Perhaps you saw this one ad of mine
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      Gary Gevisser

      which appeared once in the South African Sunday Times back in the early 90s.
      Does it interest you to know the reaction of Harry Oppenheimer and others most familiar with my accomplishments?
      Also let me know when you want me to move beyond you not able to name one person with a high IQ who has spoken out against the GDP which is exclusively responsible for the destruction of the planet?
      You of course would expect fb officials in addition to those who are fb friends of mine who are watching these events very closely.
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      Gary Gevisser

      Kobus PJ Van Staden, note that the backup that is now in the process of being shared with my 10K+ email list that includes groups of many thousands, was taken at 11:39 AM, 2 minutes ago.
      Can you hang for another couple of hours while I take care of other matters?
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      Gary Gevisser

      Kobus PJ Van Staden, in the meantime, why not look at my other fb friends and let me know who you find interesting?
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      Gary Gevisser

      Also Kobus PJ Van Staden since you have this interest in professing an indepth knowledge of physics without however providing any academic background in physics or demonstrated you can build better rockets than Musk who obviously reads well, we will be getting into more physics which you obviously don’t know as well as Einstein otherwise you would automatically be humble.
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      Gary Gevisser

      Kobus PJ Van Staden, also try to remember my accurate statement that the GDP is exclusively responsible for the destruction of the planet.
      Let me know when you figure out who stands the most to gain from war, civil unrest, refugee crisis one after the next in mineral rich regions of the world such as South Africa and the Congo?
      Is Afrikaans your first language, or would you prefer at this time to be quiet?
      Proverbs ~ It is better to be quiet and let people think you to be a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt.
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