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How come there are so many people with high IQ and they are still destroying the planet?
  • Shellie Evans

    Can you say GREEDY
    • Gary Gevisser

      Shellie Evans , more so not so bright. It is a curse not to be excited by the unknown.
    • Kobus PJ Van Staden

      The ones with the high IQ’s are not the rulers and policy makers. They have been speaking out and advising ever since. Unfortunately policy makers are not driven by enlightened knowledge, but by offers of enrichment alone, for being in power is always a very uncertain and short term endeavor in democracies.
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        Shellie Evans

        Gary Gevisser I will tell you a curse we’ve all been under. FEAR of dying. That is how they control the population with FEAR. We never really die, just change. We have the Spark of Life that never ever dies. Let go of the FEAR, and they lose all their Powers.
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          Gary Gevisser

          Kobus PJ Van Staden name me one who has spoken out against the GDP?
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            Kobus PJ Van Staden

            Gary Gevisser I do not understand how you relate GDP to destroying the planet, but as far as our weak GDP in SA goes;
            Economists do it all the time. A couple of years ago my daughter did her degree in education at the UFS when one of their assignments was to research why some countries give free education and others not. She compared South Africa with New Zealand (about half SA’s population) and Japan (about 10 times SA’s population). Those two countries compared neck to neck on GDP per capita despite the difference in population numbers. Everything boiled down to incompetent governance, criminal nature of SA’s ruling party and a poor education system as reasons for a weak GDP. And she scored above 90% for her work. Much of it was based on the concerns of economists as was published in the media. And that includes everything, from absurd labour policies to political instability and everything in between. So, yes, a lot has been spoken out. But like I said, that knowledge is not what government is driven by…!?
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              Gary Gevisser

              Kobus PJ Van Staden I read carefully everything you wrote.
              Let me first say that I am very well university schooled in the study of economics.
              Kobus, how did the GDP come about? Did it show care for the planet, in particular the green space which provides most of the oxygen and all of it when the sea dies?
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                Kobus PJ Van Staden

                Gary Gevisser ok, I get it. Yes, I agree, profit over planet is killing the earth! I was published a couple of times on the topic in newspapers and magazines. The solution is to transform to clean industry, but the biggest obstacle to it is the status quo with key politicians on their payroll.

                Gary Gevisser

                Kobus PJ Van Staden what you had published, did it have to do with how the GDP came about?
                I feel you are jumping all over the place.
                What is your formal schooling?
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                  Gary Gevisser

                  Kobus PJ Van Staden, can you share your email so that I can send you a backup, just in case.
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                    Kobus PJ Van Staden

                    Gary Gevisser No, it had to do with environmental decline and global warming, of which GDP is a driving factor when based on industry thriving on dirty energy, causing polution, and on urban development without much regard for the natural habitat it destroys in the process. My formal education is in the field of physics, so I understand how life is supported by earth’s photosynthesis process and how the above negatively affects it.
                    Tha’s why you perhaps feel as if I am jumping around, for my focus is not purely on GDP as the causing factor of us killing the planet, but on the relationship the GDP has with the actual variables responsible for it.

                    Gary Gevisser

                    Kobus PJ Van Staden is there a reason why you don’t answer how you have all this knowledge about the GDP?
                    The first place you look to when someone is all over the board on the subject of economics-politics Is their formal university schooling.
                    So I will ask it a different way. Where did you learn what you know about economics?
                    I also believe you purposely avoided answering my question from much earlier on about your knowledge of the origins of the GDP.
                    Even if you are well university schooled where if you “ate” [sic] conscious you quickly wake up to the horrors of the Gross Domestic Product economic index, it doesn’t prevent you from going to the library or asking Google.
                    What have you learned?
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                      Kobus PJ Van Staden

                      Gary Gevisser I did not gain my knowledge the same way every university student did. That is why my thought process doesn’t follow the same “groove”. I went into business for myself at a young age and started learning about economics from the physical and practical side of things, and also to determine what the greater picture looks like of which I form a small part. Thanks to my physics training, I am also good at analyzing and making sense of all the variables that make up a system. Our capitalist system could very well be described as a scientific model of input variables and transformed outcomes. And since economics is as much about numbers as science is, and since numbers do not lie like words do, meaning that it will always and eventually expose that which is wrong, it enables one to form solid and rigid perceptions of what should be, and what not.
                      On your question about the origin of the GDP, no, I do not know, because I have not googled it..? However, I suppose the answer can be viewed from different perspectives, one that its origin is with the formation of our modern day economic model, or one that is as old as man himself if you consider trade a measure of a nation’s wealth, even if it wasn’t called a GDP back then..?
                      Perhaps you would like to enlighten me in this regard?
    • Gary Gevisser

      Kobus PJ Van Staden what university did you get your degree in physics?
      You haven’t named so far one individual who you say has a high IQ and has been speaking out against the GDP. Why is that?
      You write that your focus is on the relationship the GDP has with the actual variables responsible for it.
      What variables are responsible for the GDP?
      Where do you get your knowledge about the Gross Domestic Product economic index?
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    • Gary Gevisser

      Kobus PJ Van Staden it has been 19 odd minutes since you last wrote “… enlighten me in this regard” and 12 minutes since my response.
    • Gary Gevisser

      Kobus PJ Van Staden, you also haven’t shown your published articles which I assume have a strong connection to the GDP, why is that?
    • Gary Gevisser

      Kobus PJ Van Staden, do you recall writing, “On your question about the origin of the GDP, no, I do not know, because I have not googled it…” and previously writing, “… my focus is not purely on GDP as the causing factor of us killing the planet, but on the relationship the GDP has with the actual variables responsible for it”?
      There seems to be a conflict with what you are saying.
      That is why I persist in having you explain these “variables” without forgetting you wrote in the next breath, “… about the origin of the GDP, no, I do not know…”.
    • Gary Gevisser

      Kobus PJ Van Staden, it is now 9:54 AM, Sunday, October 31, 2021 on the west coast of the United States.
      Tomorrow will be the 49th anniversary of my first meeting with Mossad head, and first Prime Minister of Israel, David Ben Gurion who nearly 2 months later, as I was preparing to return to South Africa after a 3 month Ulpan-Gadna training, asked me for my assessment of what I had learned; and my answer, “Those who know, don’t talk; those who don’t, do all the talking; once you tell a secret, it is no longer a secret” had Ben Gurion chuckling followed by, “I may borrow your words in the future”.
      Those were our last spoken words.
      Kobus, your writings remind me a lot of my university economics professors who spoke a lot but said nothing that made any sense.
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        Kobus PJ Van Staden

        Gary Gevisser I have a life as well, so forgive me for not clinging to my electronics 24/7..!
        First, let me ask: What is your drift? Why is it so important to you that I name people with high IQ’s and exactly where I received my education? How is that relevant to the topic of discussion? Is the facts alone not sufficient?
        When I write about “variables”as input, I refer to all labour and materials that produce the money value (outputs) we call the GDP. And as for this discussion about killing our planet and how it is connected to the GDP, input variables include what our planet” pays” to generate its monetary value, like excavations in mining and deforestation to develop expanding urban suburbs and industry…
        Nevertheless, it looks like you are more interested in discussing me than the topic rather..?
    • Gary Gevisser

      Kobus PJ Van Staden , you are once again mistaken and defensive.
      People who have little knowledge have big egos and more likely to lie.
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    • Gary Gevisser

      Kobus PJ Van Staden, I was 15 years old at the time.
      There wasn’t the Internet back then or anything close unless you were a leader of a superpower and willing to use your nuclear weapons to maintain the status quo which of course that hasn’t changed.
      But we should not get ahead of ourselves even though going on 17 odd years ago, 11.11.2004 to be very precise I threw down the gauntlet for the originators of the insanely illogical, morally reprehensible GDP to come clean which followed my analysis of the arrogant human condition once discovering Professor Edward Jay Epstein’s epic 1978 non-fiction book The Diamond Invention which shuts everyone up; and it is free on The internet and you simply need to know how to use google to access.
    • Gary Gevisser

      Kobus PJ Van Staden, you have been caught in your gobbledygook, nonsense talk and you are angry, defensive, hostile going through the continuous stages of grief loop.
      You have yet to laugh it off with, lol, but you must be thinking of it.
    • Gary Gevisser

      Kobus PJ Van Staden, also remember, this is my topic.
      I began 3 days ago, “How come there are so many people with high IQ and they are still destroying the planet?”
      The character of a person is most important, and when they write trash, it is important to know what drives them.
      Knowing someone’s background is critical in that assessment.
      You may well be at the bottom of economic and intellectual pyramid, and yet given the power of the Internet you could very well influence the next generation to be even more stupid.
      Let me now make a backup of this entire dialogue and place it up on my 2facetruth dot com BLOG.
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        Kobus PJ Van Staden

        Gary Gevisser I have no need for being defensive. I just do not understand why you do not want to discuss the topic you started. And angry I am definitely not.
        As far as ego = 1/knowledge goes, it wasn’t me who boasted about my 46th aniversary with the prime minister and throwing down the gauntlet… I have been discussing the topic since the start. And now it is you who become offensive after I asked you why discuss me and not the topic..? I don’t know if you realize it makes you look like someone who made a statement on a platform where it is open for discussion, perhaps to make you look intelligent, but since you do not possess the intelect to debate the topic, you now play the man and not the ball..? And in that, I can quote Newton to you: We can calculate the orbits of heavenly bodies, but the stupidity of man even the gods struggle with!
    • Gary Gevisser

      Kobus PJ Van Staden, you can now view the screenshot I took at 10:40 AM Calif. time on my BLOG.
      Are you able to access it from this link below?
      Bear in mind, unlike you I do not hide my now 2,136 fb friends, 2 shy of its all time high of 2,138, and there have been about an equal amount of those who have unfriended me as well as those I have unfriended to mention little of what can be learned from those who don’t accept my fb friend invitation.
      So Kobus PJ Van Staden, are you afraid that the South African Oppenheimer family might already know everything there is to know about you?
      While waiting for your articles or to explain your laughable contradictions, have you heard of the SA Oppenheimers who have to deal with the fools who carry their genes but when it comes to hiring the best and brightest they are most particular about both their people as well as quantitative skills?
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        Gary Gevisser

        Kobus PJ Van Staden, since you say that you have been on topic from the start and that it is me who is straying, let’s recap:
        On October 28, Thursday, at 7:37 PM Calif. time I began, “How come there are so many people with high IQ and they are still destroying the planet?”
        The following day, at 2:43 PM, I see that you piped in for the first time, “The ones with the high IQ’s are not the rulers and policy makers. They have been speaking out and advising ever since…”
        Yesterday, Saturday at 1:46 PM I responded, “Kobus PJ Van Staden name me one who has spoken out against the GDP?”
        So Kobus PJ Van Staden we are talking about the Gross Domestic Product which has you providing two conflicting stories.
        Let me now make a backup, just in case.
    • Gary Gevisser

      It is now 10:57 AM Calif. time and prior to posting on my BLOG, Kobus PJ Van Staden would you like to know who else I know is watching and learning from your fast and loose play?
      Have you heard of South African multi-billionaire Solly Krok?
      You know that he didn’t hire you in August 1989 to do a review of his international holdings.
      There is also good reason why 16 years later, early 2005, Krok first said to me, after not hearing from me in a decade when I did in mid 1995, a second most important assignment, this time in South Africa, on his behalf, “Gevisser, I should have listened to you” and nor did I first begin, “Solly, this is Gary …” because I simply said before his very true words, “Solly hello.”
      Kobus PJ Van Staden, you would agree that your educational background and work experience go a long way in determining one’s credibility.
      You will eventually tire of your bullshit, but in the meantime, others not so full of themself will hopefully learn not to imitate your horsehit.
      Would you like to know more about another fb friend of mine, Israel Air Force Pilot, Lt. Colonel Tomer Tene who is Israel’s largest organic produce farmer?
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        Kobus PJ Van Staden

        Gary Gevisser as for conflicting stories, I have responded on the question you have posted, then YOU, in your reply to me, switched the topic to GDP. Go check your backup! And here we are, you are still to start discussing YOUR topic..?
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          Kobus PJ Van Staden

          Gary Gevisser gee whiz, now you are really going at Ego = 1/knowledge.
          I do not care about my background, neither about yours! I only care about the topic of discussion, which you are not doing..?
          After all, I guess intellect will reveal itself once you start participating, don’t you think?
    • Gary Gevisser

      Kobus PJ Van Staden, I have censored nothing.
      No less important are the following:
      First, you know you have got caught in your lies when writing two contradictory statements about the GDP.
      All humans who speak and write English know what the word “orgin” means.
      Your initial writings are impossible to decipher.
      You recall writing, “my focus is not purely on GDP as the causing factor of us killing the planet, but on the relationship the GDP has with the actual variables responsible for it”, making out like you know everything there is to know about the GDP.
      Those “actual variables” caught my attention in part because you didn’t spell out what those important variables are and second, who was responsible for them?
      Then you write as I explore more your bullshit, “On your question about the origin of the GDP, no, I do not know, because I have not googled it…”
      Were you in a university lecture hall, you know that you would be the laughing stock even if everyone else was dumb, but not as dumb as you.
      How are you doing in your research of Harry Oppenheimer, his father Sir Ernest Oppenheimer and Harry’s only son, Nick?
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    • Gary Gevisser

      BTW, Kobus PJ Van Staden, I know that you have other things to do like breath, but try to keep track of the time, 11:28 AM Calif. time and let me know when you feel you have to get off The Internet altogether.
      Perhaps you saw this one ad of mine
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    • which appeared once in the South African Sunday Times back in the early 90s.
      Does it interest you to know the reaction of Harry Oppenheimer and others most familiar with my accomplishments?
      Also let me know when you want me to move beyond you not able to name one person with a high IQ who has spoken out against the GDP which is exclusively responsible for the destruction of the planet?
      You of course would expect fb officials in addition to those who are fb friends of mine who are watching these events very closely.
    • Gary Gevisser

      Kobus PJ Van Staden, note that the backup that is now in the process of being shared with my 10K+ email list that includes groups of many thousands, was taken at 11:39 AM, 2 minutes ago.
      Can you hang for another couple of hours while I take care of other matters?
    • Gary Gevisser

      Kobus PJ Van Staden, in the meantime, why not look at my other fb friends and let me know who you find interesting?
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    • Gary Gevisser

      Also Kobus PJ Van Staden since you have this interest in professing an indepth knowledge of physics without however providing any academic background in physics or demonstrated you can build better rockets than Musk who obviously reads well, we will be getting into more physics which you obviously don’t know as well as Einstein otherwise you would automatically be humble.
    • Gary Gevisser

      Kobus PJ Van Staden, also try to remember my accurate statement that the GDP is exclusively responsible for the destruction of the planet.
      Let me know when you figure out who stands the most to gain from war, civil unrest, refugee crisis one after the next in mineral rich regions of the world such as South Africa and the Congo?
      Is Afrikaans your first language, or would you prefer at this time to be quiet?
      Proverbs ~ It is better to be quiet and let people think you to be a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt.
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        Kobus PJ Van Staden

        Gary Gevisser ok, it starts shining through that you are dumber than I first thought, because if it is true that you are so highly schooled in economics, you know that a book can be written about everything (the variables) that make up the GDP. But of course I would only refer to those relevent to the topic, which I did mention.
        I will admit, however, that I have been miss reading “orgin” (sic) for “origin” as the correct spelling I assume you intended is “organ”…?
        As far as the university lecture hall filled with highly educated fools go, I laugh twice as hard for them laughing about a source of information when they are not willing to engage in debating the information itself..?
        And once again you play the man and not the ball? What are you affraid of? I mean, someone as stupid as me should not be much of a threat to your ego, don’t you think?
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          Kobus PJ Van Staden

          Gary Gevisser I will be waiting for you, go sort out your other matters.
          BTW, if you really are that curious about my education in physics, why don’t you go ask prof. Randall D. Knigt of California yourself? We had an interesting discussion once about a new rocket launch concept of mine which utilize electomagnetic propulsion and creates its own wormhole in repelling air molecules (plasma), not to rip it apart, as it is launched at about 10k km/h and reaches the height of the ISS orbit with momentum alone without a drop of combustible fuel, which I am sure Elon’s engineers are looking into, because I have also posted the concept on an engineering site and got positive feedback…
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            Kobus PJ Van Staden

            Gary Gevisser and one more thing: No, I am not interested in Harry Oppenheimer’s reactions, neither in your accomplishments. I am only interested in the fact that you are affraid to debate the topic of your own post here – playing the man and not the ball, because things like prestige, fame and riches do not impress me. A good debate does, even if I lose!
            In all my life, egoism never comes to mind. Only fear from those who always wish (and suggest) that I keep quiet presents itself…
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    • Gary Gevisser

      Kobus PJ Van Staden what is this professor’s email?
      You also know that the teacher of a self-taught person is a fool.
    • Gary Gevisser

      Kobus PJ Van Staden, you are also lying when you say that you are not interested in Harry Oppenheimer’s pivotal role, the same with his father Sir Ernest in the establishment of the GDP which you have provided two very conflicting statements.
      Nor are you in the least bit interested in an honest debate because you know you have lost not only the debate but the spark of life.
      You will now live the remainder of your life living in the past and dreading the future or another way of saying the same thing, “fearful of the unknown”.
      Again, after a while you are going to tire from continuous repeat of your nonsense.
      You are a coward, let’s face it.
      Did you serve in the Apartheid Regime’s military or police forces?
      Have you ever written anything about the SA Oppenheimers profiting more than anyone else from both their Apartheid Regime and the no less puppet ANC which followed?
  • Miroslav Karaicic

    Lack of empathy. Also, the fact someone is good with numbers doesn’t define his intention. Being very intelligent and mean is quite possible.
  • Pedro Gomes Branquinho

    Democracies aren’t ruled by intelligent people. You can be the most intelligent person on Earth, that doesn’t mean you will have the means to use towards anything (given that you may will have to struggle all your life to surpass economical scarcity).
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  • Gary Gevisser

    Anne Pollard, you are not only my fb friend but the ex-wife of American-Soviet-Israeli spy Jonathan Pollard who is responsible for you spending some 3 and 1/2 years in prison for collaborating.
    You also know that my 4 articles published in the Jerusalem Post immediately following the treason pardon of terrorist financier Marc Rich on De Beers-Rhodes Scholar, President Bill Clinton’s last day in office, 20 January 2001, 7 months and 22 days prior to 9/11 terrorist attack, centered around Jonathan Pollard.
    You and I have been conversing on fb messaging since 6:19 PM on 10.19 which is 12 days ago, and you have yet to answer my question put you in that post:
    Did you see my 4 articles published in the Jerusalem Post following the pardon of Marc Rich and the first an ‘open letter’ to Jonathan Pollard?
    Anne Pollard, why is that?
    You like this Kobus PJ Van Staden first come across like you are an open person; moreover, why wouldn’t you want to get the bottom of your ex-husband’s rather strange behavior which is not indicative of either an intelligent or honorable person.
    Not to mention, how very positive I was, relatively speaking towards Jonathan Pollard in that first article, again, an “open letter” to a man now into his 16th year of solitary confinement in a United States maximum security prison.
    So lets look at the first sentence of that “open letter” which was published in a not exactly conspicous international newspaper:
    “The pardon of Marc Rich eliminated not only an opportunity of justice being served but it would have allowed the public to view the role that oil brokers play in furthering terrorism.”
  • Gary Gevisser

    Anne Pollard, it is now 12:52 PM Calif. time, Sunday, October 31, 2021.
    20 years and 1 day short of 9 months have elapsed since that “open letter” published in Israel’s most widely read international newspaper; and the silence continues.
    You wouldn’t need my background, knowledge and intellect to figure out that first sentence, all of 32 words, couldn’t be more precise.
    Nor would you be able to find that information in any university text book, autobiography, magazine, newspaper or spoken by a talking head radio announcer or TV host.
    But you may be able to find an editor who could improve on those 32 words, but I very much doubt it.
  • Gary Gevisser

    Anne Pollard you are also a member of my fb group chat-symposium, To be honest [TBH] since this past Monday at 8:51 PM Calif. time, and you have seen a lot, including the duplicity of ChaBAD sic member Torah Gemach and the leadership of the disgusting ChaBAD sic who have caught up in their web a great many unsuspecting Jewish people.
    Nor is there to my knowledge a more powerful or richer Jewish organization than ChaBAD sic whose operatives come across mostly as poor and trying to help poor Jewish people survive as well as get back to God.
    Anne, you have been very quiet.
    It takes a great deal of courage to write under one’s own name in such a public forum as the Jerusalem Post in support of an overmatched Jewish American who looks the perfect part of the anti-Semitic, Nazi caricature, “Dirty Fat Ugly Jew” and at the same time mince no words in condemning both President Clinton as well as highly decorated Israel Prime Minister Ehud Barak who got so caught up with this pedophile Jeffrey Epstein and it was most certainly not because Mossad-Israel Military Intelligence [MIMI] wanted to get the goods on Clinton in a compromising situation because they had it with the treason pardon of terrorist financier Marc Rich.
    You see earlier this Shellie Evans pontificating on ridding ourselves of fear, but she doesn’t explain exactly how or for that matter what she herself has done that allows her to talk with authority.
    Note also my last two responses from this weak character, talker Kobus PJ Van Staden, the first at 1:15 PM which was 5 odd minutes ago:
    “… You also know that the teacher of a self-taught person is a fool.
    and the second, just a minute ago:
    Kobus PJ Van Staden, you are also lying when you say that you are not interested in Harry Oppenheimer’s pivotal role, the same with his father Sir Ernest in the establishment of the GDP which you have provided two very conflicting statements.
    Nor are you in the least bit interested in an honest debate because you know you have lost not only the debate but the spark of life.
    You will now live the remainder of your life living in the past and dreading the future or another way of saying the same thing, “fearful of the unknown”.
    Again, after a while you are going to tire from continuous repeat of your nonsense.
    You are a coward, let’s face it.
    Did you serve in the Apartheid Regime’s military or police forces?
    Have you ever written anything about the SA Oppenheimers profiting more than anyone else from both their Apartheid Regime and the no less puppet ANC which followed?
  • Gary Gevisser

    Solly Krok are you following along? Any comments about this Kobus PJ Van Staden or does Anne Pollard who I am “not” [sic] about to add to my symposium, Name Someone Stupid [NSS], interest you more?
    What about you Hollywood music composer, Steven Kofsky.
    Steven Kofsky, I dont remember asking you if you ever dated Stephanie Marine?
    Brad Awerbuch, do you remember more these days the trip to Rome you took with me and mom Zena who was the first civilian allowed in to the captured territories of the Sinai following the 6 Day War?
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  • Gary Gevisser

    Kobus PJ Van Staden, note that my fb friend count is holding at 2,136.
    Nor has Anne Pollard left either TBH or NSS which I mistakenly first thought I had yet to add Anne Pollard.
    Kobus PJ Van Staden would you like to be added to any of my fb symposiums in order for you to get a higher profile?
  • Gary Gevisser

    Kobus PJ Van Staden, are you familiar with the relationship between terrorist financier Marc Rich, anti-Semite, anti-Israel, racist, Harry Oppenheimer and Oppenheimer’s partner German-American partner Charles W. Engelhard Jr. [1917-1971] who shared the exact same value system as Harry Oppenheimer and Sir Ernest Oppenheimer?
    Or does that also not interest you because you want to focus on the corruption and stupidity of the ANC government of South Africa and making yourself look far more intelligent and knowledgeable than you actually are?
    How do we get Randall D. Knigt to join us?
  • Gary Gevisser

    Kobus PJ Van Staden, could you have got the spelling of his last name incorrect? Is it Knight?
  • Gary Gevisser

    Kobus PJ Van Staden, I don’t see him on fb but I think Ive found his email, rknight@calpoly.edu. Can you confirm?
    How should I go about introducing you?
  • Gary Gevisser

    Kobus PJ Van Staden, would you like me to send you a copy of my email?
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      Kobus PJ Van Staden

      Gary Gevisser you come forth as a very paranoid brat, desperate for attention with low self esteem. And while on the topic: how is it that almost none of your +2000 fb friends ever comment on, or like anything you post on your page? Would like to hear your definition of a friend?
      All your rambling here about the Oppenheimers is so in vain, because that also doesn’t impress me, for the first flaw in your pretended intellect is to perceive the GDP as a weapon of destruction..? The GDP is only an instrument of measure, my boy. It has got no ammunition, only units of currency! 🙂
      Does the light now come on why I talk about the variables related to the GDP? Those input variables are what carry the destructive nature, and you certainly do not seem intelligent by generalizing it all under the term GDP, because a great many trades and industry do not carry that destructive nature with it, which is also accounted for in the GDP..?
      Being more of a science freak, it looks like entropy in your system (brain) is on the rise and well on its way to self destruct..?
      I really would have liked to see the reaction of the likes of Newton, Einstein, Tesla and many others on your opinion about self tutoring. I guess that every professor in every university taught you that phrase that a self educated man’s teacher is a fool? Just a pity that this self educated man could put in one sentence what took a university graduate 4 minutes to explain the difference between power and torque in a vehicle? What’s so funny about it is that engineers from all over the globe responded with, “wow, well said, directly to the point, you must be one of those who have educated yourself?”..?
      But since you got us into playing the man and not the ball, let me speak in your language: Your mono-vision of the world is responsible for your ignorance, for the world (and life) has more dimensions to it to be accurately defined by your singularity of a thought pattern. Your believes is not necessarily true just because you believe it. And here is a valuable tip: Try to think more (deeper) and speak slower! Every wise man will teach you that.
      All said and done, I will leave you to yourself now, for you have disappointed me in conducting an intellectual debate.
      PS: Never call your opponent in a direct debate bad names, it is a sign of inferior intellect!
    • Gary Gevisser

      Kobus PJ Van Staden your response 48 minutes ago, you know makes you look intellecutally weak without me even mentioning Bonhoeffer
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    • Gary Gevisser

      Kobus PJ Van Staden, it is now 3:37 PM Calif. time and before continuing to address your desperate attempts to discredit me, I am going to pay attention to our most beautiful eyes Mango.
      So try and catch 40 winks when you can.
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      BTW, and quickly, Kobus PJ Van Staden, are you old enough to remember my mother Zena?
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      I know you didn’t take one of her Charm School courses because you are most impolite on top of being stupid, but you may have heard her often on South African radio where her weekly Monday show was heard by Prime Minister Pandit Nehru and his daughter Indira Ghandi over in New Delhi.
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      Do you want to tell us more about your upbringing?
      Was your father an Allied Fighter Bomber Pilot during World War II
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      or was he something less in General Smuts’ military, or perhaps an enemy spy such as future Apartheid Regime Prime Minister John Vorster?
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      Kobus PJ Van Staden even if it turns out that your parents and grandparents, aunts and uncles were honorable, it doesn’t mean that automatically you are a good guy.
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      Kobus PJ Van Staden, it is now 4:07 PM Calif. time and you may have taken my advice to catch 40 winks should getting a restful night’s sleep be impossible.
      Before revisting what Dietrich Bonhoefer had to say “On Stupidity” from prison before he was horribly executed and I very much doubt you would call this most courageous Gentile paranoid because his writings like mine, show the complete opposite, scroll down to see what I wrote my fb friend, Andy Cohen who married Arnold Zulman’s eldest Tamara which of course got him the ceo job in the United States operation; and of course running the show was Arnold Zulman, the first cousin of my mother Zena’s second husband, Alan Zulman
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      who you see above meeting on the 16th of May 1969 with Mossad head David Ben Gurion, clearly showing that his mind was on other things and ready to leave the room.
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      Not to mention, most likely only Ben Gurion and his most trusted Mossad, Israeli Military Intelligence chief, Meir Amit would know if Ben Gurion had already been briefed on the upcoming Operation Bulmus 6, also known as the Green Island Raid some 64 days into the future, and timed perfectly to coincide with Neil Armstrong
    • landing on the moon.
      What I can tell you is that Ben Gurion viewed anyone coming to him with money most suspiciously for good reason.
      Surely one or both of your parents coached you in the choice, “Who do you want to be in business with, an honest fool or a clever crook” and while you no doubt now would prefer to say “clever crook” which 99.99999% of the masses would choose, the correct answer is neither.
      Ben Gurion also knew better, just like his most trusted advisors, beginning with my highly secretive British-English mother Zena and her father, Al Ash
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    • when my great paternal grandmother died in 1943 after falling down a flight of stairs in a boarding house in England after being rundown by a speeding motorist who didn’t stop.
      Nechie officially joined Ben Gurion’s Mossad in 1925 when she left England for Tel-Aviv where Mossad remain headquartered, and still the most compartmentalized intelligence agency which doesnt mean they dont make mistakes or are impossible to penetrate, only that a sitting Israel Prime Minister has to think twice before ordering the Kidon sabotage and assassination unit to murder a political rival.
      By now Kobus PJ Van Staden, it is highly possible that you have realized that American-Israeli-Soviet spy Jonathan Pollard couldn’t have killed John F. Kennedy.
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      Kobus PJ Van Staden, are you sure you don’t want to try getting in a restful night’s sleep?
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      It is now 4:35 PM Calif. time, and Im sure you have a full day planned ahead in South Africa unless you are already on a flight over to the United States to see what the morning newspapers will be reporting.
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      No one who takes an oath of office such as “To defend the Constitution, the country, from all enemies foreign and domestic” traitors their country unless they are the sitting head of their country and know every intelligence and counter-intelligence, covert operation that is ongoing and even then committing treason without a clear escape plan is pure insanity; the same as your writing Kobus PJ Van Staden which we must dissect with a fine tooth comb.
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      It is now 4:40 PM and we must soon leave for Mango’s stroll in the forest.
      That doesn’t mean you should follow in Jonathan Pollard’s footsteps and not only treason his country but ask for money.
      It makes no difference that much bigger fish like FBI counterintelligence chief, Robert Hanssen or CIA Aldrich Ames take bribes, a Jewish person who is sane never tales a bribe of any kind.
      You couldn’t get anyone more stupid than Jonathan Pollard other than someone from ChaBAD sic, like Torah Gemach aka Benzion going around the bend.
      If I knew the names of every ChaBAD sic member throughout the world, I would name each of them.
      That doesn’t mean Meir Amit was careless when at the same time Jonathan Pollard was totally over his head, Amit was working closely with the most senior members of the CIA to recruit the next leader for Mossad’s Kidon from here in the United States.
      Kobus PJ Van Staden, I am not saying that your code name is Kidon team leader Ranan.
      All I am saying is that you are less than a piece of shit which has remarkable capabilities when composting even if you are not Vegan.
      Kobus PJ Van Staden have you ever entertained the idea of esponiage?
      Do you believe that all wars are a hoax and we should get over all the white and non-white South Africans who were murdered on their way to the training camps of Umkhonto, the armed wing of the ANC?
      Would it surprise you that my classmate and cousin, Sandy Moshal Jacobson [1957-1997] may have been the last one assassinated?
      Any white person who was a member of Umkhonto who came out alive has to be viewed highly suspiciously; and that would include murdered Ruth First’s husband, Joe Slovo a most senior commander of the ANC’s military wing Umkhonto we Sizwe (MK).
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      Kobus PJ Van Staden, it was 57 odd minutes ago that I said hello to Andy Cohen, where I ended, “… how much we want to put up with the waste once knowing that the entire world economy is a monopoly controlled by the German-South African Oppenheimer family who left the Jewish community of South Africa because they were ostracized for their unfair, monopolistic, extortionist, trading practices.”
      Now let’s not also forget that I have an Israeli cousin, and also fb friend who is in charge of Mark Zuckerberg’s engineering team responsible for the future of Facebook-Meta, all about augmented reality and virtual reality, watching this bulletin board as closely as you Kobus PJ Van Staden.
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      Kobus PJ Van Staden that should relax you more to read carefully word for word what Bonhoeffer had to say pending his brutal execution on April 9, 1945, 6 days prior to my father Bernie completing his 71st and final dive bombing mission against the Nazi bastards.
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    Kobus PJ Van Staden, let me share with you at this time, 1:51 PM Calif. time and it good to remember South African General Jan Christiaan Smuts by him passing away, age 80 exactly 51 years to the day prior to 9/11, those who are not university schooled have the hardest time waking up to the reality of the colossal inhumanity GDP but not nearly as devastated as those who earned degrees at university.
    Where would you say you fit in?
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    Kobus PJ Van Staden do you have a formally university schooled economist like my fb friend Dr. Rodney Smith Phd who you would like to have join us here, and who may be able to help you out?
    BTW, when you next visit my BLOG note that there are now 2 backups just in case you or someone else start deleting stuff.
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    Kobus PJ Van Staden, can you see that Backup 2 which I made at 1:59 PM, some 17 odd minutes ago, has an improved format; but still not as good as what you see on fb?
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    Any luck reaching Knight?
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    Anne Arenson Winter, although we are not fb friends, you can see that fb allow me to tag you; and perhaps that has to do with you being a member of one or more of my fb symposiums?
    No doubt this revealing dialogue with my fb friend Kobus PJ Van Staden would greatly interest both your mother Pearl and your father Maurice.
    The roundabout talk of Kobus PJ Van Staden who is clearly no youngster but loves to hear himself talk on social media, provides a clear “look in” to the manipulative nature of the human beast who we know is nowhere near as bright as he thinks he is.
    Moreover, the arrogance that quickly sets in has them unwilling to simply admit, “I just didn’t think it through”.
    They are also fearful of losing all their family and friends who they depend on for their financial survival and could care less about the health of the planet.
    If you don’t care about the health of the planet then you cannot really care, not even about yourself.
    Certainly, you don’t care about your children, grandchildren, parents and grandparents, assuming they are still alive.
    We are live here on fb, and the time is 2:26 PM Calif. time.
    It is an extraordinary statistic to have the people sticking to what they don’t want to hear.
    Jenny Arenstein – Friedman, wouldn’t you also agree with that?
    Advertising is supposed to be very different.
    If you show interest in a particular ad it means you are more likely to purchase the item than not.
    No one, as of yet, is buying the truth-logic.
    Could this Kobus PJ Van Staden with his out of control ego, possibly come around?
    Yes, but highly improbable.
    Certainly if he is capable of thinking it all through he might decide to change his mind before the musical chair game ends.
    In all likelihood Kobus PJ Van Staden hadnt even started reading Epstein’s The D I book which most all of you have done at least 3 times?
    But he got a clear taste of it simply by not only how clear, concise and following a chronology that is easy to follow but that I might know everything there is to know about Harry Oppenheimer, his son Nick and Nick’s grandfather Sir Ernest Oppenheimer that common sense says that if you are talking about anything related to the economy, money, and South African politics, you begin your search for the truth by focusing on the SA Oppenheimers and quickly if your common sense holds together, you will never again talk about modern day history, economics, military and politics [HEMP] without first talking about the GDP and the SA Oppenheimers.
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    Solly Krok, you haven’t forgotten that not that long ago you said I would need an army to succeed in ending all the nonsense talk without however offering to help because you like the money as much as the person who has nothing and can barely breath because they are constantly worrying about not having enough money to feed and house themselves.
    It is one thing to lie to someone who you dislike such as an enemy terrorist who is trying to kill you or have you killed but to lie to yourself because the truth hurts too much is mental suicide that instantly effects your physical-mental health as the two are inextricably intertwined.
    So Solly, why do you remain my fb friend when your children have long left for the exit signs?
    It must surely bother you how future history would never know the truth of how upside down success is gauged as a result of the utterly nonsense GDP that serves the most those who destroy the planet and laugh at those who don’t have the money to pay for fines, building permits, certificates of insurance, water, electricity and food.
    Moreover, as you know the big charity givers look down on the poor who don’t have enough because they simply haven’t either stolen enough or ignorant of the truth.
    That surely is not the right way to meet our Maker.
    No less important, it is very easy to see how were it not for me setting the record straight future history would show this generation having finally turned the corner on human devolution.
    Still in order to accomplish that fairytale they will have to get rid of my writings as well as demolish the GDP and fearful that there might come along a fairly bright chap who would ask what about all the ill-gotten gains harnessed by those who profited from the insane GDP which missed entirely the minds of all the smart philanthropists and philosophers?
    It just seems better that it is only one with the courage to be the first.
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      Kobus PJ Van Staden, 32 minutes ago you would have seen, unless trying to close one eye first to try to go to sleep, my post above ending, “… beyond a shadow of a doubt”.
      It is now 5:58 PM and you want everyone to believe that I have got the GDP all wrong, that it is nothing more than a measure and one could just as easily use say bananas coming out of your rear end.
      You are filthy dirty, if you don’t mind me saying so.
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      Kobus PJ Van Staden, I just received notice from fb that my previous post that I’m now about to backup “may go against community standards”.
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      Kobus PJ Van Staden, it is now 6:02 PM.
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      and I will after our hike in the forest post up a video I took the other day, remind you of a trumpet, the final blow!
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      Kobus PJ Van Staden, it looks so far that my post “… your rear end …” has not irked enough the fb algorythm to move it up to the next level; but keep an eye out for it, would you?
      It is now 7:29 PM and as soon as my cellphone with the video of the “Trumpet, the final blow” is recharged I will send it to you.
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      Kobus PJ Van Staden you would agree that when someone such as yourself comes on hard, the right choice is take them on a one of a kind educational light journey.
      The chronology of events is no less important and why I would also send you a full backup, care of your friend, this Professor Knight.
      So we should now move on to your decision to minimize the importance of the GDP that trust me escaped the attention of every economist and politician other than those on the payroll of the Oppenheimers who didn’t need to fork out much because, inconceivably it was over all their heads but to make sure, Harry Oppenheimer and his father Sir Ernest did test it out on a few Nobel Lauriettes including most important John Maynard Keynes who oversaw the Brettonwoods Conferance of July 1944 which established the nonsense IMF and World Bank.
      Need I remind you of how the masses more easily fall victim to the big lie?
      It is now 4:38 AM South Africa time. Consider this your alarm bell waking you up.
      How did you go from yesterday at 1:46 PM my time, not able to answer my question, “name me one who has spoken out against the GDP” and you never mentioned right upfront that you thought the GDP was nothing more than a measurement coming out of your rear end, to now trashing it completing, that it has no important whatsover, certainly not in your words, “a weapon of destruction.”
      My boy, you should hold on to your hat.
      Have you ever thought of yourself doing comedy acts for a living?
      You should be allowed to wake up gently, go out and smell the roses and if you come by some of the Moshal Gevisser’s brand of coffee, Gipsy
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      and the container is unopened, properly sealed, please be so kind, old boy, and send it to me.
      Remember to mark on the custom’s paper what is contained.
      It is now 5:02 AM your time unless you are enroute to New York to read the first edition of the New York times.
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      Kobus PJ Van Staden, you shouldnt be in any hurry because you have laid out clearly your case, and which I perfectly understand, and besides Einstein’s General Relativity confirms space and time go together and such exquisite order means we should only have the fear of God which is not a problem if you are trying your best.
      Trying your best does not mean you should be trying to fool people who are good.
      You end up making bad karma for yourself.
      You have heard of Karma.
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      Kobus PJ Van Staden it is now 8:11 PM on the west coast of the US.
      It was only a century ago, April 13, 1919, The Jallianwala Bagh massacre, also known as the Amritsar massacre.
      A massacre by the most civilized nation on the planet, all to instill fear, and keep the unfair trade route open.
      It could happen again.
      In my visit a few days ago with a recently retired US Navy Captain who after completing all his Navy fighter pilot training, 6 aircraft carrier landings, and perfectly spot-on on each, decided to chuck it all in simply because of the most minor mishap, mentioned that it is not always the best and brightest who rise to the top; and that is what you would expect in a monopolist led economy.
      BTW, this mishap was declared an accident for which he bore no responsibility; nor was the aircraft he was flying damaged other than one external fuel tank and the aircraft when coming to a final stop on a land runway ended up on all its wheels; again no damage to the structure, integrity of his fighter, nor any injury to himself or his co-pilot in the back who acted exactly the way he should, but when you can’t shake it off quickly and the superior commanding officers aren’t quite in the mood to do the smart thing, something better will come along.
      There are also mechanical failures that kill fighter pilots and ejecting to 150 miles per hour in less than a second can easily break the back and legs, and that is no fun.
      If he was today long dead and buried, then he wouldn’t be my most amazing bicycle mechanic, first going to bicycle mechanic school for a full month.
      There are of course higher ranks in the US Navy than Captain of a frigate with upwards of 300 highly trained sailor specialists under your command and two helicopters on board to serve as your eyes when hovering over possible bad actors in the Persian Gulf without necessarily the biggest guns because a frigate has ample firepower to stop anything traveling above or below the waterline, so long as the bad actors haven’t interfered with the electronics.
      Have you ever come across in your travels the book, The Curious Incident of the Dog?
      There you can learn of metaphors that might have you thinking of this Meta transformation of Facebook that is in progress and which I have some thoughts about that you might not want to miss.
      I will avoid adding you to any of my fb symposiums for the time being. Are you okay with that?
      Not to mention the generals in charge of that utterly cowardice, barbaric massacre on 13 April 1919 such as Sir Michael Francis O’Dwyer GCIE KCSI (28 April 1864 – 13 March 1940) the disgraceful, moron, warmonger, corrupt Irish Indian Civil Service (ICS) officer and later the Lieutenant Governor of Punjab, British India between 1913 and 1919 who gave the order to the “little official” butcher, Colonel Reginald Edward Harry Dyer, CB (9 October 1864 – 23 July 1927), are increasingly handpicked by the people in charge of the weapons supply chain who are the mineral monopolists, easy to figure out if you just think about it.
      A good movie the 2021 Sardar Udham. Let me know what you think.
      It is now 8:29 PM Calif. time.
      Do you drink coffee in the morning?
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      Kobus PJ Van Staden, the video of that most unusual plant-Trumpet is now on its ways to you and a bunch others including Des Lindberg who is now flogging his new book.
      It is now 8:34 PM Calif. time and I will very shortly be preparing for bed, and so let us now revisit Bonhoeffer’s “On Stupidity” without forgetting “People with little intelligence have great difficulty feeling stupid” ~ MDG:
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      “Stupidity is a more dangerous enemy of the good than malice. One may protest against evil; it can be exposed and, if need be, prevented by use of force.
      Evil always carries within itself the germ of its own subversion in that it leaves behind in human beings at least a sense of unease.
      Against stupidity we are defenseless.
      Neither protests nor the use of force accomplish anything here; reasons fall on deaf ears; facts that contradict one’s prejudgment simply need not be believed – in such moments the stupid person even becomes critical – and when facts are irrefutable they are just pushed aside as inconsequential, as incidental. In all this the stupid person, in contrast to the malicious one, is utterly self-satisfied and, being easily irritated, becomes dangerous by going on the attack.
      For that reason, greater caution is called for when dealing with a stupid person than with a malicious one.
      Never again will we try to persuade the stupid person with reasons, for it is senseless and dangerous.”
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    Andy Cohen hello.
    I just finishing off loading up the one of photo of my father Bernie in his Spitfire above the skies of Idku-Cairo, Egypt back in the summer of 1944 in my next response to full of himself Kobus PJ Van Staden who got caught lying, being totally stupid, contradicting himself in one breath, perhaps a little more, and is a very sore loser.
    As a fb friend who has communicated with me as have most all of my fb friends and having been ceo of the Durban Arnold Zulman’s American sweet company which was started with funding as well as expertise from his Durban Beacon Sweets which was started by his rich father Hymie Zulman and more importantly as it applies to what we are talking about here, everything comes down to market penetration of the information, and how much we want to put up with the waste once knowing that the entire world economy is a monopoly controlled by the German-South African Oppenheimer family who left the Jewish community of South Africa because they were ostracized for their unfair, monopolistic, extortionist, trading practices.

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