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Paul Reti and company – Does a “soul” exist? If so, what is it?

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Does a ‘soul’ exist? If so, what is it?
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  • Damon Ramirez The will to exist and to share this existence in a meaningful way.
  • Guy Lev-Raz There is no evidence for a “soul” – it’s a religious invention, not a physical phenomenon. At most, we have consciousness, which is merely an evolved sensory, linguistic, and symbolic relationship between our brains and our environment.
  • David Dulin The capital of south Korea?
  • Gary Gevisser Paul, what does your conscience tell you about yourself? 

    What can be a deeper feeling of despair than to find out you are stupid, other than finding out that you and everyone you know have been deceived by very unremarkable people who also have great difficulty keeping track of their lies?

    So utterly shocking is the feeling of stupidity which reaches into the deepest canyons of the soul filling up the soul in no time with the tears of the victims of the indifferent, and the short-circuits caused by the liar in denial trying to keep track of its lies heats up the rest of the body as well resulting in retaliation by the limited mental capacity fool not always cognizant that even crocodile tears are made up of 2 highly explosive materials, 2 hydrogen atoms and 1 oxygen which when ingeniously combined make up water the most fireproof substance so long as the human does not get hot under the collar when too full of thenselves having lost their soul the moment they chose stupidity to replace their God given conscience

    A mind, you know, is a terrible thing to lose

    Paul, you must still remember my comments about the terrible twos? 

    Everything well capsulated for the indifferent who so unconsciously partake in the body parts of so much more feeling animals with the words of my beautiful F-C wife Marie Dion Gevisser, “People with little intelligence have great difficulty feeling stupid!”

    What better than to end off with more of her on point words, “Once you have the knowledge, you know everyone’s game! “

    You are what you eat which is the company you most keep. 

    Birds of a feather flock together; hunan chickens no different. 

    Cowards to be avoided at all cost unless divinely placed in one’s path. 

    Non-animal food for thought
  • Niall Lynch “Soul” is the ability to perceive yourself as a value-bearing. value-creating entity.
  • Guy Lev-Raz Niall – according to whose definition?
  • Guy Lev-Raz Ruth – what about part 2 of Paul’s question?
  • Niall Lynch @Guy: Er, according to mine. Can’t you read?
  • Guy Lev-Raz Gary – what are you smoking? Please tell me – seems like some pretty strong shit. I want the name of your hook-up!
  • Guy Lev-Raz Well, Niall – had you given yourself credit for the definition, I wouldn’t have asked, would I? Er, make sense?
  • Guy Lev-Raz Damon wrote:

    “The will to exist and to share this existence in a meaningful way.”

    I think they have a term for that already: existentialism.
  • Niall Lynch @Guy: But what was asked for was my opinion, not my originality.
  • Guy Lev-Raz Actually, no opinions were asked for. I suggest you re-read Paul’s question: he’s seeking information (facts), not conjecture, speculation, or preconceived notions…
  • Niall Lynch @Guy: There are no “facts” about the soul. Only opinions.
  • Guy Lev-Raz What’s your opinion on unicorns, Easter Bunny, and the tooth fairy?
  • Anita Gold Personal experience. I do believe science will produce evidence on the subject, without the need of religion.
  • Anita Gold At some stage.
  • Linda Bozant Hi Paul. No. There is no separate, eternal soul. There is only consciousness – and it is one.
  • Anita Gold though that is questionable… the brain can be seen as mechanical. like a machine. its open to interpretation and personal experience. essence is still to this day is mostly understood by those that seek.
  • Linda Bozant I like David Dulin‘s answer the best!
  • Andrew George Hilton With what faculty would you perceive it if it did exist? Is it individuated or indivisible? Would it hide in waiting for you to turn in a different direction? Maybe the word is not the thing? OK so you’re conditioned, you emerge from a certain context, all these jangling opinions, judgements, resentments, ring with dissonance as you walk under your current banners, be they atheistic, agnostic, rationalist, humanist, humanitarian, secularist, human et al. Is there a depth of silence? Do we have a capacity to be serious and attend and not know. This is possibly what the first word of the shema prayer is getting at. Instead of rattling the thing off, can we hear, being free of the known, with an innocent mind. If soul exists, personal or the self in relationship to all, it might be discerned in such an enquiry, in such a realm, as krishnamurti put it, encapsulated in the title of one of his series of lectures in the 60’s, “freedom from the known”.
  • Jordan Jesse Callaghan I thought they existed once and now I don’t. I cannot prove they don’t exist but I think that’s a strange reason to believe in them. I think the tragedy is when someone dies, people aren’t sure if they will ever ‘see’ them again (especially when a young child dies). When I went to Auschwitz I thought a lot about the people who died there and whether they ended there, in that hell, or if they were all in some beautiful bliss, together, in a painless heaven. But what kind of God does that to innocent people? I believe there’s a perfect nothingness rather than some god who has a reason for that kind of hideous suffering. My grandpa (a believer) used to tell his very worried grandson “if there’s a heaven and you lead a good, compassionate life, then we’ll all be there and won’t it be wonderful! And if there’s nothing, then I promise you will never be sad again, never worry again and you and no one you care about will ever feel pain, ever again, and won’t that be wonderful, too!”
  • Sara Argamon wish Yossi Sarid was a fbfriend of yours, as he’s had an interesting experience of his soul that he spoke of recently.
  • Sara Argamon http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/175892…in english

    www.israelnationalnews.com

    Former Education Minister Yossi Sarid describes an “out of body” experience he once had after collapsing and losing consciousness.
  • Sara Argamon with audio in hebrew http://jewishmom.com/…/01/yossi-sarids-journey-to-heaven/

    jewishmom.com

    Yossi Sarid, a vocal atheist and former head of Meretz, raised quite a few eyebr…See More
  • Susie Roan The soul, like the body, lives by what it feeds on…and in my case that would be Falafel, Kebabs, Shuwarma, humous, tehina…(.but that is solely my opinion.)
  • David Guy If belief in an immortal soul promotes good behaviour I’m all for it.
  • Linda Mellingen Some of the same reasons for me no longer being an atheist, actually. Experiences I that could not other than make me change my opinion about these things. I do not belong to any religion though, guess I just “belong” to the experiences, and the way they have brought med.

    I know I still cannot prove any deity, I just have a different opinion towards these matters now.
  • Barry Shaw Sole? That’s a fish, isn’t it?
  • Linda Mellingen You might be able to distinguish, at least somewhat, between the two, had you ever experienced anything like this, Barry.
  • Yuval Doron the soul exist, people say “my soul” this is false, they are the soul and they have mind and have a body. since the phisical world is consist of energy and space and time and matter and other things the soul is not all of these. it is something with no motion. but it can have motion. so many people experienced past life experiences, and out of the body experiences. it is not unusual.
  • Gary Gevisser It didnt escape me that none of you commenting, as well as Paul Reti, have chosen to ignore my commentary on Reti’s question which is not a new question, many people have tried to answer that one.

    One’s physical appearance reflects the soul which when wretched first exposes itself through the very expressive eyes; hence the expression the eyes are the mirror of the soul.

    Unhealthy people who may be unhealthy at birth due to their mother being malnourished do not have a happy disposition

    It is hard for me to tell which of you who hide your actual faces and the rest of your body parts are happy but there is nothing happy in the overindulgent fat I see hanging on for dear life about the face of Paul Reti who has quite the following of flocks of human sheep who dont like logically quedtioning people whereas sheep are far more discerning, but not quite like goats who never eat their young not even the placenta.

    You can all see how Mr Reti has been so hard at work papering to death his FB wall with all sorts of distracting notices that none of you comment on why.?

    Mr Reti has obviously yet to delete me as a FB friend despite me calling him out in his decision to accept another FB friend Ruth Bracknell suddenly calling me “scum” followed by ‘F… Off” without ever explaining herself and Reti’s response is “You are both adults” and that the two of us should sort it out before going on to say, “Who my real friends are is my business only?” and he ended with a question mark.

    Mark my words I will succeed in getting out the truth of how you have all been fooled by the money which has you so angry with yourselves that your conscienceless souls have you lashing out infantly at me when not deafeningly silent.

    I in fact succeeded when I survived the moment after South Africa based mineral-banking monopolist De Beers-Anglo American Corporation (DAAC) went silent on me back on November 24, 2004 after I broke my 24 year silence on 11/11/2004.

    https://www.2facetruth.com/dev01/remeberme.php

    The last person I heard from was my FB friend Geoffrey Rothwell who wrote me on FB messaging, “I DONT USE FACEBOOK, PARTICILARLY FROM KOREA.”

    Mr Rothwell also knows that he has been writing me a whole bunch of nonsense ever since he experienced what I believe was nothing short of a brain meltdown back on Sept 16 of last year when he and I, as well as our wives met for dinner in Paris, France and his disclosures which came immediately after the “blank look” reflecting his traumatized-conscienceless soul will inevitably rock the entire regressing human population to its core, and in the next instant will begin an enlightened age from which there will be no turning back.

    www.2facetruth.com

    Dear Stephen hi – remember me? I am probably coming through to New York in a cou…See More
  • Gary Gevisser Now of course there is nothing wrong in sheep eating the placenta that gives them healthy nourishment and nor do sheep eat their young unless the young are dead and the sheep starving whereas there is nothing starving about the far more self-indulgent human who can’t give up its polluting cow.

    All im saying is that there has to be a reason why the non-talking animals who the self-righteous and so talkative human likes to eat, are far more discerning; and when the cows take their vengeance with cancer the pain is all the human speaks and sounding exactly like the far more feeling animal placed here in most spectacular planet Mother Earth to show how soulless is the human once it loses it conscience.
  • Glenn Towle I have learned that not all people have souls, some are not capable of loving another. Some people cannot see that some things are obviously wrong. When a woman murders her unborn child , her soul is gone.
  • Yuval Doron Len you are the spirit, you have as a spirit a mind, a body and phisical brains. you lead them .
  • Guy Lev-Raz If you don’t believe in an anthropomorphic deity or a cosmic, incorporeal, yet sentient consciousness, then I submit that the word “spiritual” is meaningless.

    Spiritual is defined as:

    “of, relating to, or affecting the human spirit or soul as opposed to material or physical things.”

    If you believe that your awareness and consciousness begin and end with your body, you cannot believe in a “soul.” The “human spirit” is a catch-all phrase that can mean enthusiasm, ambition, zeal, potential, desire, longing, or any other subjective descriptor of our tendency to never be satisfied with what we are and what we have and always strive for more. Who has NOT heard the phrase: “there’s no limit to the human spirit?”

    It’s precisely because of this refusal to accept our finite corporeal existence that we invented the “soul,” which is nothing more than our expression of our irrational and emotional need for an Afterlife, next dimension, or elevated level of consciousness – nirvana.

    So please stop deluding yourself if you’re an atheist or an agnostic. There is no “soul.” No sequel to this movie we call life. This is all we will ever have, and there are no pearly gates, no limbo, no angels with harps, no 72 virgins, no purgatory, and no eternal damnation or Hellfire.
  • Jason Howard Yes, all the religious crap is a byproduct of mankind. It has nothing to do with the Creator. We exist, as does the world, everything outside and everything inside was created, by the Creator. Our soul is a replica of the creator although an inexperienced replica. It cannot be understood on this plane of existence, as it is outside of this universe, and the spacetime continuom illusion. Religion like physics is a primitive attempt to try to define something that cannot be understood from within the unfolding illusion. Creation and evolution are not opposed but are self evident, it’s the futillity of the conflict of differing viewpoints based on the different illusions we generate. I have been to the dwelling of the Creator, so yes “it” is there, there is no time, no physics and all possible evolution has been completed. No pearly gates, no sex, let alone virgins, no purgatory or hellfire. Just finallity and all seeing all knowing true reality. When everyone of you arrives there you’ll see what I was talking about. Good luck, enjoy your singular infinite path.
  • Yuval Doron Guy lev-raz i didnt say anything about God, i was talking about the soul. only when you have out of the body experience you will understand it. until than your cirioucity on the subject will be zero.
  • Guy Lev-Raz I’ve studied out of body (extra-corporeal) experiences extensively from a medical and scientific perspective. I find nothing divine about them.
  • Guy Lev-Raz Jason Howard has been to the dwelling of the Creator?

    Me thinks he has watched Star Trek: The Motion Picture far too many times…

    http://youtu.be/5Ei_2wS0U-w

  • Yuval Doron guy, you went the wrong way. totaly the wrong way and im not talking about misticism but on the difference between the phisical stuff you are talking about and the spirit which is a static . it is a motion and no motion. you went in another path which you will find nothing.
  • Guy Lev-Raz I’ll take my chances, Yuval. For the record, I’ve never seen someone make so little sense with so many words – be proud in our accomplishment!
  • Yuval Doron i cant explain to you that unless you aready for the challenge. im not mistic. i know im a spirit. what can i explain to you? i cant.
  • Jason Howard You have no idea what you are talking about. If you have questions about my experience, ask them. Spare me your childish insults. None of it is accurate. I was dead for 10 minutes, cold and blue, then suddenly I returned. During that time, I returned to the origin. The infinitely large is the infinitely small. The force that animates us comes from the dwelling of the Creator. All things are known there, because it is the central culmination of all experience. Star Trek has nothing to do with it, niether do childish poorly thought out insults.
  • Jason Howard If something doesn’t make sense, it’s a sign that you need to raise your awareness and improve your intelligence level. It’s all within.
  • Guy Lev-Raz @Jason Howard – that is the most logically flawed argument I’ve seen posted on FB in weeks…

    Most of the time, when something doesn’t make sense, it’s not due to complex concepts or terminology, it’s because the presenter is several cards short of a full deck.

    But by all means – show me how stupid I am by posting a scholarly or theological analysis of Yuval’s comments…
  • Guy Lev-Raz And Yuval – please post YOUR scholarly and/or theological analysis of Jason’s recent comments.

    This should be fun – please don’t start until I make popcorn…
  • Guy Lev-Raz In the meantime…

    http://m.phys.org/_news107099946.html

    phys.org

    Using virtual reality goggles to mix up the sensory signals reaching the brain, …See More
  • Guy Lev-Raz So what’s more likely: a disembodied “spirit” floating in this or another dimension with full consciousness but without the billions of neuron connections to sustain it (i.e., a physical brain), or a highly hallucinatory and suggestive state when the brain is deprived of oxygen or gets its sensory signals crossed and/or manipulated?
  • Jason Howard You are a really slow retard. You don’t understand reality because you are stupid. I don’t have time to react to a fucking moron I was not talking to in the first place.
  • Gary Gevisser I am taking this conversation to my $HIT list on 2facetruth.com. Let me know if anyone has anything further to add.

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