Pork, Plaque & Pills – no longer the plague

Gary Gevisser Wesley Speck I asked you this question before, are you Vegan?

Do you think you can be as sensitive towards the more sensitive other species we also call animals and insects if you eat them?

Gary Gevisser Wesley Speck Veganism is not a religion. It is a logical choice. Why on earth would you write “Veganism is a faith”?

David Pañart Wesley Speck HM, I see your point. But that’s only in regard of animal well-being and personal values. In addition to that, there is mostly two other much more rational and factual reasons to support veganism : health (when done well), and environment / resources optimisation and protection 🙂

Gary Gevisser Wesley Speck how about it’s a question of health and survival of the planet.

Wesley Speck How about the intelligent management of the Earth’s resources?

Wesley Speck Arncha glad, lions don’t manage you and your family?

Gary Gevisser Yes, we get all that!

Pills, Pork and the plaque; no longer the plague.

The bottom line is it is the water, the source of everything.

So with all your writings of righteousness blah blah, are you vegan or are you one of those, “I don’t eat much meat. I only eat dairy; i.e. liquified meat?

Have you figured out yet how to shut up all all the intellectual midget religious?

What is your business and educational background so we can see clearer where you are coming from or does it not matter just so long as you talk to talk?

Wesley Speck As for silencing the midget religious, it seems to me that there will be one or two who will listen to the scripture, and they will be the leaders, if it ever happens at all.

Gary Gevisser Wesley Speck why are you having such a hard time answering if you have the sensitivity to be vegan without wrapping yourself in scripture without being able to point to scripture which tells you to be stupid and eat whatever feels right to you?

Wesley Speck But this is not about Wesley. I am just a dirty old truck driver. I thoroughly study the scripture, and share what I find.

Wesley Speck Faith is choosing whom to believe for absolute truth. Truth aligns with reality. Faith may, or may not align with truth. So, I study, And pay attention to what I read.

Gary Gevisser Wesley Speck where does it say in the scripture you should be unhealthy and eat meat-liquified meat and become a stupid old dirty truck driver who just spits out whatever nonsense comes into his head?

Gary Gevisser Wesley Speck Wouldn’t you consider yourself a hypocrite if you are not vegan and sprouting scripture?

Wesley Speck What scripture are you talking about? God, in the Old Testament, required the killing of animals for oblation, and sacrifice.

God, in the New Testament, and according to the Gospel has made us free. Free. That means we get to do what we want.

Wesley Speck Do you doubt that?

Wesley Speck Is it because you don’t study the Scriptures, but only know what’s been taught to you by the church?

Gary Gevisser Wesley Speck, maybe all scripture like all writings are there to make you think.

Since your interpretation is that we should each do as we want and you must want to eat meat-liquified meat-fish, then you don’t really care about the animals you kill.

Did you know that when you kill an animal it does not show that you love them?

When you get sick with the cancers from the meats could you see that sickness affects the brain organ and has you sounding stupid because you are stupid?

Gary Gevisser Wesley Speck, please look out for a backup of all this on my 2facetruth dot com BLOG.

Wesley Speck I say that the scripture of God’s word is true and correct, but all other teaching Has problems, unless it agrees with the scripture. The second face comes from people not facing the truth in Scripture, but making something up for themselves to believe in their hearts.

Gary Gevisser Wesley Speck Jesus, you sound as stupid as the rabbis, mullahs and Christian priests.

But you are all slowing down.

Gary Gevisser Wesley Speck are you currently taking pills?

Wesley Speck Atheists believe that the world and everything in it was created by nothing. How’s that for absolute doctrine?

Wesley Speck Who decided what the laws of Thermodynamics would be?

Wesley Speck That gets right in to matters of faith, things that can’t be demonstrated in a setting of reality.

Gary Gevisser Wesley Speck are you currently taking pills?

Do you have a flat, strong stomach or has it become hard as a rock to help incubate the cancers?

Wesley Speck Mat 15:17 Do not ye yet understand, that whatsoever entereth in at the mouth goeth into the belly, and is cast out into the draught?
Mat 15:18 But those things which proceed out of the mouth come forth from the heart; and they defile the man.
Mat 15:19 For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies:
Mat 15:20 These are the things which defile a man: but to eat with unwashen hands defileth not a man.

Josephine Corden Cheri Jones🤦‍♀️

Gary Gevisser Cheri Jones arguments for sake of arguments is not healthy. Eating plants does not damage the planet to the point of extinction.

Wesley Speck Oh, that’s dirty. 🙂

Gary Gevisser Cheri Jones it is that we have a mind to make a choice.

If it’s between eating a plant and an animal are you saying we are saving the planet from the methane that the cow would otherwise produce?

You have to the look at the planet as a whole, we are part of it, not ruling over it because that second view leads to destruction and extinction

Now if you cannot see that and bring stupid arguments for the sake of arguments then ….

If the water was not so polluted from the farming of animals their hormone excrement and whatever antibiotics they are being pumped with to satisfy the bloodthirsty that ends up in the oceans the rivers, maybe we could live off the water, there would be enough nutrition.

Wesley Speck It must be a natural thing. It’s not spiritual.

Wesley Speck The spirit, and the flesh are completely different, right?

Steve Bellerose Wesley Speck If spiritual is biblical we must discount the “fatted calve”

Wesley Speck Animals eat animals, animals eat humans, humans eat animals, but (normally) not other humans.

Wesley Speck Right. “Kill the fatted calf, and let us eat, for my son has returned home.”

Steve Bellerose Wesley Speck a spirit trapped in flesh becomes slave to the flesh .

Wesley Speck Check to see what a “spirit” is–

SpiritG4151
πνεῦμα
pneuma
pnyoo’-mah
From G4154; a current of air, that is, breath (blast) or a breeze

SoulG5590
ψυχή
psuchē
psoo-khay’
From G5594; breath, that is, (by implication) spirit

1Th 5:23 . . . andG2532 I pray God yourG5216 wholeG3648 spiritG4151 andG2532 soulG5590 andG2532 bodyG4983 be preservedG5083. . .

Wesley Speck Check the definition of “pneuma”– it’s not an entity.

Steve Bellerose Yes, the breath of life. Spirit is apparently a slang term in this age.

Wesley Speck Bringing it closer to home, remember we cannot see the spirit, but we can see the fruit of the Spirit. Animals do not exhibit the fruit of the Spirit–

Gal 5:22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
Gal 5:23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.

Wesley Speck …If we see a cat rescue a mouse from drowning, it’s an anomaly, and not the norm.

Steve Bellerose So without flesh to serve the spirit shall be free.

Wesley Speck Right, that is, if the spirit was an entity. But the spirit is a disposition of vital principle. The SPIRIT is what makes a human being decide to be kind, loving, patient, etc.

Steve Bellerose Wesley Speck so does eating meat make a human less kind loving, patient , etc?

Wesley Speck No. We kill animals to feed our children, right?

Gen 1:28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.
Gen 1:29 And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.
Gen 1:30 And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so.

Paying attention to WHAT the breath of life is–
Gen 2:7 And the LORDH3068 GodH430 formedH3335 (H853) manH120 of the dustH6083 ofH4480 the ground,H127 and breathedH5301 into his nostrilsH639 the breathH5397 of life;H2416 and manH120 becameH1961 a livingH2416 soul.H5315

BreathedH5301
נָפַח
nâphach
naw-fakh’
A primitive root; to puff . . .

LivingH2416
חַי
chay
khah’ee
From H2421; alive

SoulH5315
נֶפֶשׁ
nephesh
neh’-fesh
From H5314; properly a breathing creature

Wesley Speck Whoops, Gen 1:29, 30 says that YHWH gave the trees to man and the animals.

It was after the Flood, when YHWH commanded Noah to eat meat–

Gen 9:1 And God blessed Noah and his sons, and said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth.
Gen 9:2 And the fear of you and the dread of you shall be upon every beast of the earth, and upon every fowl of the air, upon all that moveth upon the earth, and upon all the fishes of the sea; into your hand are they delivered.
Gen 9:3 Every moving thing that liveth shall be meat for you; even as the green herb have I given you all things.

Steve Bellerose Then what of the fatted calf?

Wesley Speck Luk 15:11 And he said, A certain man had two sons:
Luk 15:12 And the younger of them said to his father, Father, give me the portion of goods that falleth to me. And he divided unto them his living.
Luk 15:13 And not many days after the younger son gathered all together, and took his journey into a far country, and there wasted his substance with riotous living.
Luk 15:14 And when he had spent all, there arose a mighty famine in that land; and he began to be in want.
Luk 15:15 And he went and joined himself to a citizen of that country; and he sent him into his fields to feed swine.
Luk 15:16 And he would fain have filled his belly with the husks that the swine did eat: and no man gave unto him.
Luk 15:17 And when he came to himself, he said, How many hired servants of my father’s have bread enough and to spare, and I perish with hunger!
Luk 15:18 I will arise and go to my father, and will say unto him, Father, I have sinned against heaven, and before thee,
Luk 15:19 And am no more worthy to be called thy son: make me as one of thy hired servants.
Luk 15:20 And he arose, and came to his father. But when he was yet a great way off, his father saw him, and had compassion, and ran, and fell on his neck, and kissed him.
Luk 15:21 And the son said unto him, Father, I have sinned against heaven, and in thy sight, and am no more worthy to be called thy son.
Luk 15:22 But the father said to his servants, Bring forth the best robe, and put it on him; and put a ring on his hand, and shoes on his feet:
Luk 15:23 And bring hither the fatted calf, and kill it; and let us eat, and be merry:
Luk 15:24 For this my son was dead, and is alive again; he was lost, and is found. And they began to be merry.
Luk 15:25 Now his elder son was in the field: and as he came and drew nigh to the house, he heard musick and dancing.
Luk 15:26 And he called one of the servants, and asked what these things meant.
Luk 15:27 And he said unto him, Thy brother is come; and thy father hath killed the fatted calf, because he hath received him safe and sound.
Luk 15:28 And he was angry, and would not go in: therefore came his father out, and intreated him.
Luk 15:29 And he answering said to his father, Lo, these many years do I serve thee, neither transgressed I at any time thy commandment: and yet thou never gavest me a kid, that I might make merry with my friends:
Luk 15:30 But as soon as this thy son was come, which hath devoured thy living with harlots, thou hast killed for him the fatted calf.
Luk 15:31 And he said unto him, Son, thou art ever with me, and all that I have is thine.
Luk 15:32 It was meet that we should make merry, and be glad: for this thy brother was dead, and is alive again; and was lost, and is found.

Steve Bellerose Steve Bellerose

Wesley Speck Others need to know.

The dumb beast was killed to celebrate the relationship of the son who came home.

Steve Bellerose Steve Bellerose gen 9:1 is the link I was missing

Steve Bellerose Thank you

Jane Hicks Wesley Speck thoughtful factual discussion. LOL

JAck A Smith There is value in a “plant-based” diet. Some folks are deficient in the enzymes that process flesh.

Wesley Speck Please, share reference to the enzyme deficiency statement.

Wesley Speck Right. Faith is believing in things not seen.

Nathaneil McDougal Wesley Speck what in this case would be that?

Wesley Speck believing that you have a right in doubt upon you buy some absolute standard is by faith (believing in things not seen).

Nathaneil McDougal Wesley Speck what?

Wesley Speck Faith is one of the fruits of the spirit. Does an animal believe they have a right that is separate from others?

Wesley Speck Animals do not follow any law that prohibits them from interfering with other species lives. If a lion is hungry, it attacks, kills, and eats its prey.

Nathaneil McDougal Wesley Speck it is not faith to follow principles or have morals. Philosophy does not require faith.

Animals do indeed follow certain social protocols though. Dependant on species and social structure

Wesley Speck Well, right. The protocols that animals follow is called deterministic behavior.

when a rattlesnake hears you walking down the path, its tail begins to shake. It’s not trying to warn you that it’s there. It’s deterministic behavior.

A dog cannot hide his feelings; he wags his tail, tilts his head, perks up his ears, etc.

Wesley Speck But you are going to have to look up “Faith”, and pay attention to what the definition is. I have posted the lexicon entry in another place in this thread.

Wenona Rbe Bellmore men thinking they’re smarter than God/nature

Max Fresco Wenona Rbe Bellmore God created the human brain 😉

Wenona Rbe Bellmore Yes, humans DO need to eat animals. There are certain nutrients such as heme iron, true vitamin A and others that are only from animal foods. And plants contain self defense mechanisms in the form of anti-nutrients such as oxalate, phytate, lectins, etc.
People will argue “you can minimize those things”, well what about the fact that they aren’t available year round? And still the fact remains unchanged about lack of nutrients.
I think some vegans must be under the mistaken belief that we are not on Earth, but in Heaven or a utopia…meaning all animals we do not eat will live forever, happy and healthy. No, the reality is many of them will die of starvation, disease or attack by another predator. Humans are just another predator. It’s as simple as that.

Gary Gevisser Tony Bondhus some people just talk to talk.

People use words.

Look at the definition of religion.

If you see the animals, the plants, the air, the water, the stars, all that we are gifted with as godly or divine, then I would agree it is a religion and then it should be held in high respect, not used and abused for personal gain before nature balances it out – action-reaction gets rid of us.

History the plague … pills, the modern plague, slow death.

Gary Gevisser Mary Helsby are you vegan and healthy?

Gary Gevisser Victoria Toulis

Gary Gevisser Title: What is it that you don’t understand, yet?

Mary Helsby how can you differentiate between a chicken and fish?

Mainly?

That means you are still eating meat, eggs, dairy blah blah.

“… not yet at the same stage as us”, what stage is that?

What is it that you don’t understand, yet?

Gary Gevisser Surinder Singh, Zoe Rosenberg, Vic Carpenter, Michael Canes, La Casina Di Alice, Peace Pies

Gary Gevisser Title: Halfwit

Mary Helsby how much effort does it take to change? Just don’t buy it.

It seems to me that you should be worrying about yourself and not looking to China as a distraction.

China has plenty of vegetables and rice. The days of famine are over.

Have you ever visited the countryside of China or is your knowledge all TV based?

The Chinese, by the way, were considered one of the “blue zone”.

Get educated by reading Colin Campbell Phd’s, THE CHINA STUDY and spend less time trying to make out like you are halfway intelligent, like a half-way vegan or a halfwit.

Half with it is what it is.

Gary Gevisser Mary Helsby, it’s an evolution; mind and body.

Hopefully that will trigger you to change completely.

Gary Gevisser Mary Helsby, you associate yourself with The Venus Project and their now deceased founder Jacque Fresco quickly floundered once I made him aware of The Diamond Invention book which shuts up most everyone.

His co-founder Roxanne Meadows has currently chosen to join him.

There are good researchers out there such as medical doctors, John McDougall MD, his protege Dr. Lim MD, Dr. Neal Barnard MD, Dr. Ornish MD and cardiologist Dr. Caldwell B. Esselstyn, Jr.

Gary Gevisser Title: No business

Mary Helsby, you had no business diving into the China story when you can’t even get your head around how easy it is to get the B-12 also known as Nutritional Yeast, and you need very little.

Gary Gevisser Mary Helsby, had you not heard the word “supplement” previously or is your problem like that of Frank Astry, by choice or lack of willpower?

Scoll down to my writing at 1:39 PM Calif. time this past Sunday:

Title: Choice or lack of willpower

I just wrote to you on your facebook messaging but you are taking a long time in responding.

Again, did the food-religion conversation on Wesley Speck‘s wall cause you to blow up?

You look fat. Is that by choice or lack of willpower?

Gary Gevisser Another one bites the dust, floating away… bloating away.

Gary Gevisser Just trying to use as much vocabulary as possible.

Boat, float, bloating.

Gary Gevisser Mary Helsby maybe you are defensive?

Gary Gevisser Mary Helsby change doesn’t happen without shock.

Gary Gevisser … since logic doesn’t work.

Gary Gevisser Mary Helsby are you not fat and a halfwit?

How can you talk if you are not vegan?

Gary Gevisser Mary Helsby you know you are wrong. That is why you resort to “fuck you”, half sentences; no logical arguments.

Gary Gevisser … another pill box.

Wesley Speck Science demonstrates . . .

Please show the conclusive demonstration that eating meat causes inflammation.

Wesley Speck “Diet Rich in Animal Protein Promotes Pro-inflammatory Macrophage Response and Exacerbates Colitis in Mice.”

Wesley Speck …Intake an All cause . . .

Abstract
Importance

Defining what represents a macronutritionally balanced diet remains an open question and a high priority in nutrition research. Although the amount of protein may have specific effects, from a broader dietary perspective, the choice of protein sources will inevitably influence other components of diet and may be a critical determinant for the health outcome.

Gary Gevisser Wesley Speck why don’t you get one of those idiot Mayo Clinic medical doctors who support that nonsense to come on this show?

Could you see the pills you take – you don’t say that you don’t take pills – to be causing side effects like the thinking of your brain?

Gary Gevisser Wesley Speck did you know that milk is partly puss?

Doesn’t thought of it make you sick to your stomach or is your stomach like an alien that you cannot control?

Do you know what nature creates milk for?

Do you see mother’s milk and cow milk identical because a baby human grows as fast and as big as a cow in no time?

Wesley Speck Of course. Part of your blood is urine. It’s the way the flesh works.

Gary Gevisser Let’s try saying it another way, where does it say in the scripture you should be healthy?

Did you see my previous point on health-unhealthy and decide to ignore it?

I take you are like most preachers of faith still a meat-liquified meat-fish eater and think so long as you keep talking you will build a following and the fat cats that support the meat-dairy-liquified meat industry who are the same as those who support the war business both the raw war materials and the finished products like tanks, will be generous with you.

Do you see eating other animals as respecting the rights of animals to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness?

How much exercise do you get in daily or because scripture doesn’t address exercise, it cannot be that important?

Deks Roning Its been demonstrated by science that animals don’t want to die.
Humans also don’t wish to die (at least according to science).What the heck gives Humans the right to inflict pain on other sentient non-human animals for the purpose of consumption?
Other than self-absorbed sentiment that we are ‘at the top of the food chain’ (which is nonsense because you have examples of nature easily devouring humans without the help of science or technology… or despite of it – climate change anyone)?

By that sentiment, you could argue that respecting the rights of Humans to life, liberty and pursuit of happiness is also a matter of faith.

Sorry, but to me that seems suspiciously like a bunch of nonsense made up by people who want to justify their actions (whatever they want to be).

Diet is a matter of implementation of nutritional management… which if we want to be accurate, requires SCIENCE… not faith (faith is riddled with ‘belief’, biases and inaccuracies – none of which have any room in science – you record data, test to see what works and what doesn’t then see what the results are, and obviously, go with what works and improve upon it – revise it – plus science is self-correcting over time).

Physical health can also extend to environmental and non-human animal well-being… as we understand from various scientific studies, animal agriculture is highly damaging to the environment, doesn’t exactly benefit our bodies, and its grossly inefficient as a way of acquiring nutrients.

95% of soy grown is given to animals… not humans.
Also, animals cannot produce their own B12, they usually ingested it with the food from soil (because B12 is produced by bacteria in the soil)… and due to soil depletion, animals are actually given B12 supplements to avoid deficiency… so you’re actually going for the middle man here in regards to B12 (and other nutrients) when you could just as easily be getting it directly without eating the animal (its grossly inefficient to eat an animal just to get nutrients they get from plants).

Wesley Speck 3Jn 1:2 Beloved, I wish above all things that thou mayest prosper and be in health, even as thy soul prospereth.

Wesley Speck Deks Roning
Right. Where do we draw the line between the managers and the managed?

Gary Gevisser Nathan Feeney, do you see that you are trying to talk logic to a man who is illogical?

Do you think it is smart to argue with a drunk?

Wesley Speck Not illogical, but a different perspective. We are ALL in the wild. Someone in the wild decides who rules.

Gary Gevisser Nathan Feeney did you see my last post to Wesley Speck, “How much exercise …it cannot be that important?”?

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Gary Gevisser Wesley Speck, it was at 9:21 PM Calif. time last evening that you wrote, “I would say, the animals don’t care”.

That was more than 8 hours ago.

You can see that the people are very quiet.

Not everyone or for that matter not the rest of nature is deafeningly silent.

Here up in the mountains of southern California it was expected to snow beginning around the midnight hour but out of nowhere the wind began gusting and blew the rain clouds away.

Nature does talk to us.

Each of us is part of nature.

The human does the most talking of all the animals, at least using our mouths and other instruments like guitars to make sound or simply using a drum stick to sound off.

Even silencers on guns don’t completely silence the explosion.

At 9:33 PM yesterday, 12 minutes after your announcement that the animals us humans eat, keep at pets as well as observe in zoos and in the wild, have no feelings, very religious Torah Gemach responded to my heavily broadcasted Cruel email with the words, “Why is you sending me this” [sic]?

Torah’s first language is English and this is not the first time he has expressed poor English when hot under the collar, hence why I added the Latin adverb SIC meaning “thus” or “so” right after, indicating his poor grammar.

As you would know the correct speech is “Why are you sending me this?”.

You and everyone else can see that yesterday at 7:49 AM California time I tagged Torah Gemach along with Gavin Strous; Gavin Krok; Michael Chait; Janice Lipman; and Justine Musk, the first wife and mother of all Elon Musk’s children.

Cruel was sent out at 8:33 PM Calif. time.

It was 33 minutes after midnight on the East Coast which is where Gemach resides when he wrote his revealing words.

The ongoing conversation we had, will be shared with you in due course without you forgetting that Gemach could have easily untagged himself from this conversation and not been so “engaged”.

Gemach is a follower of the Rebbe Schneerson who was on the payroll of my former employer, the mafia of mafia, Oppenheimer-De Beers-Anglo American Corporation as was every rich Jewish rabbi as well as every rich Jewish person including the unwitting terrorist financier Marc Rich with the strongest of ties to South African Invader, American Charles W. Engelhard Jr. who was the richest and most powerful person on the planet at the time of his death on March 2, 1971, having turned just 54 the month before and his “male heir” none other than my Jewish Allied Fighter Bomber Pilot father Bernie’s first cousin, the snake David Gevisser [1926-2009] who I refer to often as my “lucky uncle” Dave.

Let us now focus on where you get your knowledge that the animals don’t care?

Do you have an answer for that?

Gary Gevisser The above photo of me and Schneerson was taken in late October 1989.

Moreover, according to Gemach it is rabbi David Mesenter who now lives in South Africa in the background. It was, I believe Mesenter who helped set up this convoy of Jewish people receiving a $1 bill from Schneerson.

Gary Gevisser Stacey Mazin it sounds a legitimate question until you realize that you are my facebook friend and have previously read my writings and remain a facebook friend.

Don’t you think you should first read what this is about before wanting to be so conspicuous?

David Simpson Stacey Mazin I know now 😂

Gary Gevisser David Simpson, maybe you are a meathead, which would explain not only why you haven’t got a clue but that you would choose to be so conspicuous?

Are you saying that it is your money that you hope will attract a much healthier sex partner?

What are you doing on facebook if not searching for truth?

Gary Gevisser David Simpson, as a guide to others, would this Mary Helsby interest you?

Gary Gevisser David Simpson, what about just hanging out with another talker, Steven Bailey?

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David Simpson Gary Gevisser Facebook will not give any truth I can give truth if you bothered to look 👀 at my profile
I’m far to busy trying to free a man being tortured and facing 175 years or possibly death 💀
In a closed military court room 👩‍⚖️ for what ? TELLING THE TRUTH DO NOT TELL ME ABOUT TRUTH AND MONEY 💰 I HAVE NO MONEY BUT A BEAUTIFUL WIFE AND 2 BEAUTIFUL KIDS SO IM FAR RICHER WHAT YOU MEAN HEALTHY SEX PARTNER YOU CLEARLY HAVE NOT LOOKED AT MY PROFILE BECAUSE YOU WOULD KNOW MY WIFE HAS CANCER ♋️ OR YOUR JUST A COMPLETE CUNT !!!!! Either way explain yourself

Gary Gevisser David Simpson you began by saying that you have no clue what this is all about. What’s wrong with you? All you needed to do if you are a conscious competent is to read.

No, I didn’t read your profile. Does it say whether you think your wife’s cancer could be related to the consumption of meat-dairy-fish?

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David Simpson Mary Helsby I don’t I love 💕 the challenge I’m unbeaten so far 6 years undefeated troll destroyer you know how I tell you a little secret BE TRUE AND FAIR
FIGHT FOR JUSTICE WHO CANNOT BE HONEST WITH EVERYONE TRANSPARENT AND MOST OF ALL DIGNITY that’s key 🔑 but don’t tell anyone because Facebook only likes to PROMOTE FEAR , HATE, RIDICULE AND SEXUAL EXPLOITATION
BUT WE MUST GUARD THE GUARDIANS

David Simpson Gary Gevisser are you not well 🤧?

Gary Gevisser David Simpson another kinda of “fuck you”.

David Simpson Gary Gevisser yep 👍

Gary Gevisser No logical arguments never ever.

David Simpson Gary Gevisser but I love 💕 ya as a human being

Gary Gevisser David Simpson you know you are lying. You are not helping build up your immune system.

David Simpson I love 💕 all people until they hurt me physically or my family then gloves 🧤 off your probably the same

David Simpson Gary Gevisser got any ideas 💡

Gary Gevisser David Simpson yes I do.

Do you see the title on this conversation, “Veganism is a matter of faith”?

Did you miss it when you decided to jump in like a bull in a China shop?

Are you vegan?

David Simpson Gary Gevisser I wouldn’t censor anything freedom of speech and press is the main reason I’m doing why I’m doing never censor

Gary Gevisser David Simpson, would you say you love someone who is sick but you don’t get them to change their diet or would you consider such a person a co-dependent as in misery loves company?

Gary Gevisser David Simpson you are quick to attack, what is taking you so long to answer whether you and your sick wife are vegan?

David Simpson Gary Gevisser no to be honest not vegan 🌱 but definitely have been thinking 🤔 about it

Gary Gevisser David Simpson thinking about it? Have you not heard of medical doctor Dr. John McDougall MD blah blah if you want to do it right?

Are you able to scroll back up to learn more?

When did you and your wife first hear about fat-meat-dairy causing cancer versus a low fat organic plant food based diet?

Were you waiting for both of you first to die or become co-dependents?

David Simpson Because you’re dam right loads of study’s state it’s more beneficial to your health not including animal 🦓 cruelty and damage to our carbon footprint 👣 farmers produce the most co2

David Simpson Gary Gevisser no it’s just lack of information ℹ️ lifestyle and trying to change your wife’s mind shes Muslim meat 🥩 is in everything

Gary Gevisser David Simpson SO WHAT’S STOPPING YOU?

Have a bean burrito, hold the cheese. Eliminate all processed fats and as much as possible all fats like avocado, nuts, any high fat foods if you already have cancer which the cancer feeds on.

And if I had cancer I would not touch sugar; all covered by these aforementioned doctors WHO MAKE IT THEIR BUSINESS TO DO THE RESEARCH!

Gary Gevisser David Simpson I guess your wife prefers dying or living on pills and/or chemo.

Gary Gevisser David Simpson, you need to GUIDE her to do the research unless you like to be co-dependent.

Im waiting for your heartfelt apology.

David Simpson Gary Gevisser I know definitely sugar most of the above she thankfully doesn’t eat it the meat 🥩 and loads of rice 🍚

Gary Gevisser David Simpson do you recall saying “Yep” to my enquiry of whether you were questioning my sanity by in essence telling me to fuck off?

David Simpson Gary Gevisser I’m extremely sorry Gary for not reading the post you tagged me in first xxx 😘when you tagged me I was half in the feed so I didn’t have a clue 😂

Gary Gevisser David Simpson but when you wrote at 9:28 AM, some 21 minutes ago, “are you not well 🤧?” you were much better informed and still you were headstrong fucking nasty.

You just got caught.

Your ego doesn’t like it.

So what have you now done to try save your wife’s life and your soul?

David Simpson Gary Gevisser well our time zones are completely fked for one ☝️ 😂 two fk mine G you are the man I just looked at your blogs
And I’m not worthy 😂 I don’t see my ego unfortunately 😂 I do self analyse and try to not sound egotistical 😂

Gary Gevisser David Simpson was it your ego that got in the way of letting us all know that you were now trying to guide your wife, and why not yourself, to the research?

Maybe you want to try getting into a dialogue with my Stacey Mazin who sounded off just like you earlier.

Have you seen that dialogue?

Do you remember how to access that dialogue by either scrolling up or going to my BLOG which will be updated in due course?

If you want to know not only how I came to know so much about the money which drives everyone because it drives the cost of food, water etc etc and why if you are interested in the getting to the source of all the evil in this world without having to rely on the scripture which does not contain any of the answers, not even close, you have to focus on the actions of us Jewish South Africans following our unprecedented Jewish Holocaust, BUT NO LESS IMPORTANT, my decision to attack the beast at its head once the author of The Diamond Invention book, Professor Edward Jay Epstein went silent after I introduced myself to him on January 13, 2004 before then “working the room” from the bottom up.

As you would expect when reading The D I book that again is free on The Internet, the people at the bottom such as most of you and the likes of Barack Obama, Bill Clinton, Donald Trump, when given the information act no different to those at the very top who have never paid their fair share for anything and to top it off they derive great entertainment satisfaction watching each of you show how much the same you are.

Their argument from the very start of their brainwashing which well predates putting the machinery in place to exterminate 6 million, half of European Jewry, is that their plebes if given the money whose value is pulled out of the sky along with the military power would act no different to the World War I Little Corporal Hitler.

David Simpson Stacey Mazin not me ?

Gary Gevisser Stacey Mazin does your thorough schooling on disease and nutrition cover eating meat as a health benefit.

Why do you still eat meat-dairy-liquified meat?

You are trying to diffuse and your erratic English – “and do not eat with you” – tells me at least that you are falling apart because you lack the logical arguments.

Why would you mention that you and I don’t eat together.

We haven’t even met.

You know it is you who is unstable.

What do your medical professors have to say about the findings of medical doctors-researchers McDougall, Neal, Lim, Ornish and Esselstyn?

Gary Gevisser Stacey Mazin, you know that you are arguing for the sake of arguing.

You are stuck in your ways and feel that there is no way out because you are stubborn.

The repetition is only for poor students.

A very poor student is someone who prides herself as being an A student in her medical studies and still eats meat.

Why would you have trouble being referred to as a meathead since you know via common sense that you are what you eat and the company you keep?

Gary Gevisser Stacey Mazin, you appear to have already unfriended me, without untagging yourself from this fb wall.

But to be sure you get the message, I will try to share this with you over facebook messaging if you haven’t blocked me already as well as share it with our 18 mutual friends who if they are of the same mindset as you does not mean they are your trusted friends.

I did misread you writing, “I actually eat extremely healthy” and thought that I saw the word “meat” right after “eat”.

You could have easily clarified that by simply responding that you don’t touch anything which once had a heartbeat.

A great many people who are unhealthy do say that they eat healthy meat.

How easy it would have been for you to say that you are vegan because you are a conscious competent.

Wesley Speck Gary Gevisser
Hmmm. Veganism is a matter of faith. Having a steak dinner is a matter of enjoyment, and attention to nutrition.By grace ye are saved through faith, but by eating meat, we have a balanced diet.

Gary Gevisser Wesley Speck well well well.

BTW, how did you transition to Hmmm… from your knowledge that the animals you eat as well as your pets have no feelings?

Wesley Speck Animals indeed, are sentient beings. They feel pain, and they are in terror as the axe falls.

But sorry, I need to eat.

Wesley Speck I’m not gonna be eating seeds, and grass just to appease the animals.

Wesley Speck If you are confused, it only means that you’ve been generalizing people who say “Bible” are wrong, no matter what they say.

Gary Gevisser Wesley Speck don’t be sorry. You are not dissapointing me. You are educating me and I appreciate that.

Why didn’t you start out expressing yourself so clearly?

When you wrote at 9:21 PM Calif. time last evening, “I would say, the animals don’t care” which seems to contradict you now saying, “They feel pain …”.

Isn’t it you who seems very confused?

Wesley Speck Gary Gevisser
of course they don’t care, and they feel pain. The animals are not confused, because they don’t know to be confused. They don’t look at you, saying, “you son of a bitch“, as you are leading them down the shoot towards the pneumatic bolt chamber.

Gary Gevisser Wesley Speck how can they not care about feeling pain?

How would you know?

Wesley Speck The animals do not manage the earths resources. They only eat what they want, no matter what the diminishing availability.

Wesley Speck Gary Gevisser
We can know what’s going on in the minds of animals, or any Sentient being, by observing their behavior.

Wesley Speck A wolf runs up to you wagging its tail, and you may presume he is happy to meet you. Right. He’s happy to find a meal.

Gary Gevisser Wesley Speck what in their behavior tells you that they don’t care about pain?

Wesley Speck Gary Gevisser
they don’t care to plan ahead to avoid pain. They don’t build houses to keep out of the rain. they don’t knit sweaters to keep warm. They don’t plant crops, to avoid shortages.But when a lion can’t find any food, she certainly is unhappy.

Wesley Speck A gazelle, seeing the Lion Approaching, runs for its life. Oh yes, he cares.

Gary Gevisser Wesley Speck what gives you the right to take the life of another living creature?

Gary Gevisser … when there are other sources of food that are way more nutritional and not devastating to the planet and to the animal?

Gary Gevisser Wesley Speck did you get that last piece; what gives you the right to take the life of another living creature when there are other sources of food that are way more nutritional and not devastating to the planet and to the animal?

Wesley Speck Gary Gevisser
Assuming the right to take the life of another living creature is a matter of faith.Rom 14:2 For one believeth that he may eat all things: another, who is weak, eateth herbs.
Rom 14:3 Let not him that eateth despise him that eateth not; and let not him which eateth not judge him that eateth: for God hath received him.

Nathan Feeney No animals definitely prefer NOT to feel pain, in the wild an animal won’t hunt another animal if they know he’s going to put up a good fight… unless they’re really hungry.

Wesley Speck Right, Nathan Feeney.

I would say that if it appears to the general population that eating animals is detrimental to our survival, we shouldn’t be eating the animals. It’s a matter of survival, right?

Nathan Feeney It’s not necessary to our survival or health that we eat meat eventually that may become common knowledge unless we have some apocalyptic disaster, which is entirely possible.

Wesley Speck so until it becomes completely obvious, people will not be convinced, and not me either.

Maybe one day, We will not jump into the fire, we will not spit into the wind, and we will not eat meat.

Until then, it’s not an issue that brings peace.

*Love one another,
*Share resources for free,
*Judge not.

Nathan Feeney Well, it is obvious… it’s just hard for people to give up. They’re addicted, meat tastes good. Also there’s the issue of climate change which slaughter houses are contributing to but some people are in denial about that too.

Nathan Feeney Gary Gevisser Lol… yes eating meat cures colon cancer.

Gary Gevisser Nathan Feeney you probably know that in the ruins of Pompeii they determined that the gladiators all ate barley for strength and stamina and today’s best athletes are only rediscovering that meat makes you weak because it makes you sick.

This Wesley Speck is full of contradictions, but you may have already noticed that he and his supporters, all the quiet ones are fast running out of energy.

Let me try again with Wesley Speck.

Gary Gevisser Wesley Speck, again it is you who does not care.

The other animals do care.

You have acknowledged that they are terrified when seeing the ax coming down, but you are lazy and like how quick it is to throw a piece of rotting animal carcass on the barbeque, add a bunch of sauce, lots of salt and pepper and you are good to go.

Are you beginning to feel the end of your life approaching because your indulgence has taken its toll?

You started out like you were curious and seeking answers but clearly your mind was already made up.

Could you see future generations of children learning from this exercise of you demonstrating great tunnel vision?

How is scripture going to help you cope in the future when you have said such terrible things, “the animals don’t care”?